So this is an end of life sale for this series as it seems like they are trying to blow out their inventory.

interesting

I thought it was predatory pricing. They do need to get the players to djs even if they will take a earnings hit.

The 5000 and 5000M now retails for the same price in Europe whereas the M costs more than the 5000 in the US even with the price drop.

They are great players btw...I owned the 5000 and now own the Ms. Its almost impossible to go against Pioneers CDJs

Do you have the mixer to match? I’ll probably grab a set of 5000’s. But I’m not crazy about the mixer. I’m thinking the nxs2 or the xone96 would be better for me.

Initially used the players with my other mixers, but it was a totally different experience when I bought the X1800 to complete the prime set up.

I'm happy with the mixer and the players.

Cool. Thanks for your input.

For $1k a pop for decks and mixers, that's a steal no matter what their intentions are.

I had the same concerns regarding the mixer. I just pick up mine two days ago but will test it out to see how it works with my Maschine Studio software/hardware setup. I might just have to send it back and pick up the Xone96.

I had the same feeling about the mixer before buying it. I didn't have any major expectation but I was surprised at how everything ties together in the Prime ecosystem.

E.g. BPM transmitted to the mixer from the players for the hardware FX.

On air status on the players.

By design more features can be added to mixer via firmware updates, Denon added 1 or 2 new FX via updates.

Great sound

Multitude of Ins and Outs, I haven't tried the digital RCA yet.

A retailer in the UK was advertising it for £1205 So I reached out to my usual dealer for a price match and they obliged. It was a no brainer price point for me.

Now waiting for the SC5000Ms to get Seratoed, even if that doesnt happen it's not a deal breaker for me.

Did you plug in the USB? One of my testing points with the x1800 mixer is to see if I can rout my Maschine Studio software from my laptop into one of the channels so I can trigger the audio from the Maschine Studio controller rather then having to use an audio interface.

I believe that the Xone96 has a USB audio interface with dedicated channel strips for just that. I was able to pick up the prime series for under $900, so perhaps I may keep it, but if the audio feature doesn't work ...may just go for the Xone, instead.

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Send/Return via USB - possible?
Prime Series
X1800 Prime Mixer

Ryan0751
Aug '17
I was surprised that the X1800 doesn’t have the feature where you can use the USB port for Send/Return.

This would be useful for running audio through external software, such as ableton, Maschine, etc.

Is this something that could be a possible firmware update, or is it a limitation of the hardware?





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SlayForMoney
Aug '17
Are you sure it doesn’t? I know it doesn’t have the dedicated usb port like on the competition but since the previous generations of Denon mixer do have the option to use usb send/return it should be also available here.





AIRVince
Denon DJ Staff
Aug '17
Hey Ryan, The X1800 can do this if you set the input selection to DVS. Make sure that in utilities that under ‘5. DVS Setup’ all channels are set to their proper line/phono. After that, just make sure you’re receiving/sending on the same stereo pairs on your computer for each channel.

DVS mode sends the mixer input to the computer and then sends the computer audio back out to the mixer channel. Typically this is for sending vinyl time code and piping back the processed track to the mixer.

In your case, it’s using your computer as an insert.

www.denondjforum.com

Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a shot once it arrives I'll make sure to share my experience using this. :D

On the M's... any sticker drift issues in standalone and hows the torque feel? Key lock any good during cutting?

i think there might be 2 reasons.

1. cheaper then pioneer set up.

2 the rane battle gear (2x12's turntable and 72 mixer) is really hot.

I actually have the 72 and the 12’s even though I love my setup I really think the SC5000M’s are a better value then the 12’s

Can’t you basically get 2 12s for the price of one SC5000M? How is that a better value?

SC5000M is about $1400 each and the Denon mixer is $900 the Rane 72 is $1800 and the 12’s are $800 so almost the same but the bonus and what makes it a better value is that I don’t need a laptop if I don’t want to use one and with the 12’s I have no option Serato or nothing

Just goes to show how much all this gear is ridiculously marked up. I understand their running a business. But when the manufacture is able to cut the price is by almost a grand (50%ish) and still profit....damn. Also I'd be sour if I paid full retail for that setup.

I'm getting some new gear coming up. CDJs are just too expensive to justify. 12s look sick but with this price drop I'm considering the 5000s. So you can play rekordbox drives one prime and vice versa?? Half my gigs are on the NXS setup so I'd need to be able to jump around. Thanks in advance

Yes you can play Rekordbox sticks on the primes. Just use Rekordboxdj as your only music management tool.

It's just them moving numbers around to make the promotional price to attract more people

The UK/EU price drop is framed different to the US/Canada drop

Thanks Marv, will I have to reimport my rekordbox drive each time on the 5000s when I add songs/change playlists? Or will it just have to analyze the new songs/changes? Thanks

And maybe so about the price but cut in half to me is more than moving numbers around. Either way I'm not complaining. That's a very good deal for that amount of features

I think old tracks info should be stored in the Engine Database on the stick.

Engine and the Players do not write any info into the original files on the stick. It's creates a separate engine db, so your files/crates/playlist still remain as they should for the donor software which in your case is Rekordboxdj.

But I could be wrong...why not head over to the denonforum and start a pre-purchase thread.

I don't use Rekordboxdj prepared stick regularly but I did a brief test on the SC5000M to make sure it was working as advertised.

IMHO as well the current price is better value than the Rane 12s.

The SC5000 and the SC5000M are going for the same price in Europe. I'm guessing that's due to the fact that DJs here are not really into motorised platters. Whereas unlike in North America the mixer is 1499 ...they probably selling better in Europe.

At the end of the day the sweetest deal worldwide is 2 SC5000 and the X1800 for less than 3000usd.

That's just north of the price of a single CDJ2000NXS2 ....mad

Right on. Thanks again man. You're right tho I'm gonna go ask the denon guys

So true one the price tho. I have a bunch of mixers so prolly would just get the decks. 2k for two is a steal

I approached it the same way. I bought 2 players initially pairing them with my S9, 62 and for a brief period the 72.

I sold the 62 to accomodate the 72 which I returned as well. I bought the Denon DJ X1800 and I was pleasantly surprised as to how the X1800 really ties the players together.

There are still some minor quirks with Engine Prime and the Players bpm algorithm which Denon is aware of and promised to improve. Some tracks have 33% added or subtracted from their BPM.

E.g. a 100bpm track can be calculated as 133 or 67bpm.

Besides getting the BPM from the lan connected players, the X1800 also has the ability to do its own bpm calculation and it's spot on with it so far. Meaning even though the displayed BPM on the players is wrong...the mixer beat related FX is correct.

Not sure if I'm making sense.

The X1800 is underrated and slept on.

Makes perfect sense man. But that's crazy that the mixer is better real time calculating than prime software lol.

The whole prime software is what makes me nervous about investing in the prime gear. Software seems like junk in comparison to others

It's still a very young software compared to the big guns out there...It's playing catch up.

For me once the BPM algorithm is improved on...then it's happy days for a laptop free experience when the occasion calls for it obviously.

They also need to open up the beat grid edit functions