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What is "Old School" anymore?

Discobee 2:43 AM - 16 August, 2007
If this topic has already been discussed before, I apologize for its redundancy.

I was listening to the "old school lunch mix" on a local radio station and they were playing songs like Gin & Juice, Regulate and Return of the Mack...I kinda scratched my head and was like, "Huh?"

Because to me, the term "Old School" refers to songs from the late 70's to the late 80's...I grew up listening to stuff like Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel, Sugarhill Gang, Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Mtume, disco, funk, r&b, breakdancing music, freestyle...that to me is Old School. Remeber when Thump Records came out with the Old School CD series for the lowriders? It was all late 70's to late 80's jams, the good ish!

It's just funny to see the next generation referring to "Old School" as songs from the 90's. I wish "old school" mixes or radio programming were TRUE OLD SCHOOL. Maybe I'm just an old DJ haha...
Dj K.Smith 2:51 AM - 16 August, 2007
Naw you're right... Some of the cats on radio now are in their 20's so that's their old school...
KMXE 3:08 AM - 16 August, 2007
some people in Sydney Australia thinks tracks from late 90's to very early 2000 is old school

but i reckon the term 'Ol school' has now become a terminology that will always be 'correct', relative to the person referring to it.

some who is now only 20 will refer to tracks that he/she listened to when he/she was 7 years old of whatever as old school.

i consider the 80's as old school, and 70's and really old school!
djbriguy 4:06 AM - 16 August, 2007
106.5 in richmond said "Heres another back in the day joint!"

And it was P-Diddy, "Bad Boy for life."

I was like.................................. huh.
sixxx 4:15 AM - 16 August, 2007
You're right. Old School is or should be referred to music that was 70's, 80's. But, it has its own sound. It's not just any song that was from that time.

60's is oldies

90's is usually just old songs or hits from the 90's.
dj_soo 4:32 AM - 16 August, 2007
i always liked to refer to 90s hiphop as "mid-school"
DJ Sniffles 4:40 AM - 16 August, 2007
how can it be old school if cats (busta rhymes - hahahaha) were callin themselves The Leaders of The New School.....??? hmm???? I'm with Discobee, I'm only 24 but I grew up on my dads old tapes (he was only 21 in 83 when the world was so lucky to have me born) so by time i was 8 i was up on my sh*t and the history of hip hop, so.....i would say back then, late 70's thru the 80s is old school, 90's are the transitional years, the transition to crap. early 90's they started to go somewhere (golden era) then they started to get paid to much and now we live in the aftermath of garbage and over paid rappers who contintue to tell us how rich they are.....just in case we forget
Dj Silver Glass 6:49 AM - 16 August, 2007
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i always liked to refer to 90s hiphop as "mid-school"


so if 90's is mid, 80's & 70's is old, does that make any thing 60's and before elementry-school? and maybe anything before 1900 pre-school? hmmmmm i wonder haha
poloi3eai2 6:58 AM - 16 August, 2007
There is no real "old school" era. Old school is considered whatever you listened to growing up as a kid. I'm 24 so 90's stuff like Gin N Juice and Kriss Kross is considered old school to me because was around 8-9 and that was what was popular back then. When 90's songs come on it makes me nostalgic and think about times in grade school when I'd try to wear my jeans backwards like Kriss Kross. I'm sure the same goes for the older DJ's when yall hear Special Ed I got it made. Teenagers now consider boyband pop oldschool because they were 7-10 years old when that was popular.
deepdjdanny 7:15 AM - 16 August, 2007
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the term "Old School" refers to songs from the late 70's to the late 80's...Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel, Sugarhill Gang, Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Mtume, disco, funk, r&b, breakdancing music, freestyle...


Yep. period.
DJJOHNNYM 8:52 AM - 16 August, 2007
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so by time i was 8 i was up on my sh*t and the history of hip hop, so.....


U SURE? How did you not know Wheels Of Steel?
Dj K.Smith 8:44 PM - 16 August, 2007
Old school is simply gonna reflect on your age... It's a loosely used term that everyone now-a-days seem to use... Kinda like a few other words I'm sure we all can think of (appropriate & non-appropriate) that seem to be used at anyone's discretion...

I'm born in 1970 so old school for me is the late 70's and up... Funk, disco, soul and hip hop kinda fits into that...

I definitely wouldn't call mid 90's old school but that just me. For the young bucks, that what it is...
djaction 1:33 PM - 17 August, 2007
Well, a song from 1995 is 12 years old.. at what age can a song be considered 'oldschool' ?? ? ? ?

Another 10 years from now are you still going to say a track from '95 isn't oldschool?
djbriguy 2:06 PM - 17 August, 2007
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Another 10 years from now are you still going to say a track from '95 isn't oldschool?


Correct.
djaction 2:18 PM - 17 August, 2007
lmfao @ a track being 22 years old and not being oldschool =)
DJJOHNNYM 2:20 PM - 17 August, 2007
But, WHO would want to hear TODAY'S MUSIC 10 years from now anywayz?
sixxx 2:22 PM - 17 August, 2007
I agree with djbriguy... The old school genre HAS ITS OWN SOUND.

So, a track from 1995 will never really become OLD SCHOOL. It will become just old.

It's not like you can switch stuff people!!! So, let me guess. You push all the tracks from 1995 that are now (future) 20 years old and make them old school and all the old school tracks you make them oldies? hahahah.


And what about oldies... since you're pushing things back. What do those become?

Think about it. Now shut up.

:P
sixxx 2:22 PM - 17 August, 2007
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But, WHO would want to hear TODAY'S MUSIC 10 years from now anywayz?


and there you go... most crap music of today won't even be remembered.
djbriguy 2:34 PM - 17 August, 2007
Old School has its distinctive sounds... Run DMC, Eric B & Rakim, Biz Markie, LL... You can hear those obnoxious high hats and claps, and say, thats old school!

At the same time, you had a genre' i like to call "80's". Those are your pop/synthesizer sounds... like Devo, Van Halen, etc...

90's has a few different genre's for me:
Gangsta Rap/West Coast - NWA, 2pac, Dre, Snoop, Big L, Dogg Pound, Warren G
Early 90's Hip Hop - Public Enemy, Fresh Prince, LL Cool J, Salt n Pepa
Bad Boy Era - Notorious BIG, Diddy, Mase, LOX, Lil Kim, Busta Rhymes, Missy Elliot, Timbaland & Magoo, Foxy Brown, Jay Z
(not all of them are in badboy, but they all hit it big during this time)

thats just to name a few.. and those genre's won't change for me. Mase will never be "Old School" in my book.
sixxx 2:35 PM - 17 August, 2007
Speaking of distinctive sounds... That's why there are new tracks from new artists that sound "old school" or "disco" or whatever.

Otherwise, how could you capture that sound on a new song?

Ok. I'll shut up now. lol
djbriguy 2:41 PM - 17 August, 2007
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Speaking of distinctive sounds... That's why there are new tracks from new artists that sound "old school" or "disco" or whatever.

Otherwise, how could you capture that sound on a new song?

Ok. I'll shut up now. lol


No man, you're right. These new cats don't understand it. Alot of new DJ's were born in 1990 lol, so they don't understand what we lived through. God, makes us sounds OLD!!!

Really though, its the SOUND that defines a genre'... NOT how old it is.
Jay-R 4:12 PM - 17 August, 2007
i got asked to play old school at an 18 and up gig. i then asked what they wanted to hear and they said i got 5 on it.

that was funny.
cappinkirk 8:30 PM - 17 August, 2007
run DMC said they were "all brand new never ever old school" and that was on King of Rock...in 1984
cappinkirk 8:31 PM - 17 August, 2007
old school is anything older than 10 years old to me
cappinkirk 8:32 PM - 17 August, 2007
i still separate by genre and year though
djbriguy 8:43 PM - 17 August, 2007
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old school is anything older than 10 years old to me


thats crap
djskiggz 2:25 AM - 19 August, 2007
you guys are too old
sixxx 4:46 AM - 19 August, 2007
Your chonies are old. :P
DJ Eighty 8 1:58 PM - 19 August, 2007
10 year cut off time, 1997 on back is old school now. What was old school when I was younger is not even rotated anymore. I too am a child of the 70's (getting real close to 40) and in the late 70's Motown was considered "OldSchool". Motown was only 10 years removed from that time. Just as Motown was a new sound for the Rock-N-Roll and Rock-N-Roll was the new sound for the BigBand/Jazz generation. Your age dictates what is old school, period. I just an old school party and anything before 1980 was too old and the cut off was like 1995. That's a lot of music 2 cover for a 4 hour set.
360MIX 2:01 PM - 19 August, 2007
Old School or / Old Skool has many meanings..

I had a kid tell me to play some OS I asked them like what he said "50 Cent In the Club" So for some OS is only "6 Year old song"

Some OS means Motown..
Some OS means Grandmaster Flash
for my OS means "BreakDance era, Planet Rock, Jam on it. etc."
DJ C.A.P 10:50 PM - 19 August, 2007
ya'll tryin to break this down to a science people wow!!

I make it simple on my brain anything 15 years back is "old skool"
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 11:58 PM - 19 August, 2007
when my kids grow up, they'll be like 'yo, suckadj, play me sum Laffy Taffy ol skewl...or sum humps....or some classics like peanut butter jelly time b-more remix yo '
Discobee 2:52 AM - 20 August, 2007
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when my kids grow up, they'll be like 'yo, suckadj, play me sum Laffy Taffy ol skewl...or sum humps....or some classics like peanut butter jelly time b-more remix yo '


Lol Mike C, you better start disciplining your kids starting NOW then haha!
FlexyD 4:57 PM - 20 August, 2007
this is a good topic for debate, I honestly don't know how I feel about it. Old School means something different to alot of people
DJJOHNNYM 5:02 PM - 20 August, 2007
Unfortunately, "Old School" is totally relative to the listening audience.

That sucks.

I'd love to call "Top Billin'" old school, but if I marketed a CD calling it "Old School", somebody would be mad that I didn't have Biggie on it...

Nowadayz, you have to add something that describes the time frame (1980 - 1989), or something like that....

Sucks.
Likwid 5:16 PM - 20 August, 2007
The terms 'Old School' and 'Underground' have a different connotation to everyone. When I was at Michigan State at a house party, this guy comes up to me and says "You listen to underground? You know about DMX?" haha he thought he was the shit.
cappinkirk 5:58 PM - 20 August, 2007
Rap is still an art, and no-one's from the Old School

cuz Rap is still a brand-new tool

I say No one's from the old school, cuz rap as a whole

Isn't even 20 years old

50 years down the line we can start this

cuz we'll be the 'old school' artists...

KRS from wiki "old school"
s42000 6:22 PM - 20 August, 2007
Danger - Mystikal ..... now there's old school for you.
I slapped the bastard who requested this as old school and we are not friends anymore.
allstarchris 7:23 PM - 20 August, 2007
I gave up saying old school after I saw Bambaataa or Herc (can't remember) say that they were calling themselves "true school". It just makes more sense.

To me "old school/skool" is like the beginnings and the root of that particular genre. So for Hip-Hop/Rap that would be late 70's - early 80's.
SUBSTANCE 11:55 PM - 20 August, 2007
depending on who you talk to, CDs are "old school"...
ding! I think your microwave is done...
DJ MAC com au 1:05 AM - 21 August, 2007
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some people in Sydney Australia thinks tracks from late 90's to very early 2000 is old school

but i reckon the term 'Ol school' has now become a terminology that will always be 'correct', relative to the person referring to it.

some who is now only 20 will refer to tracks that he/she listened to when he/she was 7 years old of whatever as old school.

i consider the 80's as old school, and 70's and really old school!


Hey KMXE, I haven't bumped into you in a minute! I think we used to spin a club in Taylor Square together 6 or 7 years ago for Lee and Francis.

Anyway, back to the topic! Yes I agree, old skool is the '70s, Al Green, the Temptations, Marvin Gaye, the Four Tops etc. Then you have '80s Funk - that's it's name, not "old skool" it's called '80s Funk. In the 90's you had New Jack Swing - no need to call it old skool because it already has a distinctive name that helps you distinguish what music you are talking about.

But, as KMXE and any other Sydney cats on here would know, I'm the Old Skool DJ on the Edge 96.One FM. The Programming Director told me from day 1 that the radio defines Old Skool as any music from the previous decade or earlier, therefore I'm expected to include music right up to 1999. The station isn't playing music before 2000 themselves unless as old skool flash backs or in my mixes.

So bottom line, I agree with KMXE and most of you guys on here - the term is relative to the audience. I have 13 year old kids emailing me about New Jack Swing that I've played on radio and they've never heard the music before and want to learn about it and get the names of some artists to go out and buy CDs - that's Old Skool to that kid! Etc

Mac
KMXE 6:41 AM - 21 August, 2007
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some people in Sydney Australia thinks tracks from late 90's to very early 2000 is old school

but i reckon the term 'Ol school' has now become a terminology that will always be 'correct', relative to the person referring to it.

some who is now only 20 will refer to tracks that he/she listened to when he/she was 7 years old of whatever as old school.

i consider the 80's as old school, and 70's and really old school!


Hey KMXE, I haven't bumped into you in a minute! I think we used to spin a club in Taylor Square together 6 or 7 years ago for Lee and Francis.

Anyway, back to the topic! Yes I agree, old skool is the '70s, Al Green, the Temptations, Marvin Gaye, the Four Tops etc. Then you have '80s Funk - that's it's name, not "old skool" it's called '80s Funk. In the 90's you had New Jack Swing - no need to call it old skool because it already has a distinctive name that helps you distinguish what music you are talking about.

But, as KMXE and any other Sydney cats on here would know, I'm the Old Skool DJ on the Edge 96.One FM. The Programming Director told me from day 1 that the radio defines Old Skool as any music from the previous decade or earlier, therefore I'm expected to include music right up to 1999. The station isn't playing music before 2000 themselves unless as old skool flash backs or in my mixes.

So bottom line, I agree with KMXE and most of you guys on here - the term is relative to the audience. I have 13 year old kids emailing me about New Jack Swing that I've played on radio and they've never heard the music before and want to learn about it and get the names of some artists to go out and buy CDs - that's Old Skool to that kid! Etc

Mac


yea man - been a while! so can u get me a spot on radio or what?!?! :)
The E Head 6:54 AM - 21 August, 2007
Humour me please, i listen to very little hiphop but am curious

dr dre & snoop dogg - nothing but a g thing

what cat. would that come under?
sixxx 7:15 AM - 21 August, 2007
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Humour me please, i listen to very little hiphop but am curious

dr dre & snoop dogg - nothing but a g thing

what cat. would that come under?


Old West Coast Rap or what we call a recurrent in radio because it was a hit.
DJ Tony C 6:08 PM - 31 August, 2007
I did a Sweet 16 party last night - I was requested for Billie Jean and then I wanted to test the waters so I mixed in Poison by BBD - none of them knew the song... I had to get out of it quickly...