only problem with that is then how would you access you loops. that is actually one of the features i like with the vci-300

so how many loops per track do you have and how many seperate cue points?

That makes sense as well, but it should not be required when setting loops in ITCH. Some loops, I just want the trigger button to activate them on/off. If I wanted to set a cue to get me there, I should be able to do that by setting a cue point or clearing that cue point if I don't want to waste 1 of the 3 cue triggers. I don't think everyone needs a cue point for each loop, this should be an option.

How many loops and cue points is subjective by each track, so I'm not sure how relevant that question is.

here is what i am saying . you want to trigger a loop I understand that.
but there are not new buttons to add to the vci-300
so would this help. if lets say pressing th cue/out button would activate and trigger the corresponding loop.

i don't want the cut button to have anything to do with the loop function at all. i know some people use this function so all I'm saying is that make it an option in the settings panel. neither way is better or worst, so I'm not arguing that point, just prefs.

see i am not saying anything against what you are saying just trying to get what you are saying....
not you wan the cues seperate from the loops right?
and how do you trigger loops?

I'm not clear on what you're asking and I'm sure you know how to trigger the loops already. If you don't, you can trigger the loop with one of the 3 loop buttons. when it's saved in a loop bank, the loop button lights up to show that there's a loop saved in that button.

for those that are still lost, if you're transitioning from SSL to ITCH and you load a track that you have a loop saved from SSL originally, you'll see what I mean.

when you come from ssl to itch with cue points created in ssl, they should translate right into itch with 1, 2, and 3... and those will correspond directly with the buttons on the vci.

if you want to loop, you use a cue point, and then a loop button to the right of that cue button...

I think what he is saying is that he would like 3 cue points AND 3 loops, and not have them tied together. I too wish there was a button to activate a saved loop.

Some songs have a loop in them that I want to mix out of, and it would be cool to save them and activate them without having to assign one of my precious cue points to it.

guys read the post it isnt a question of how to i trigger loops

Socross, THANK YOU. I was starting to think that I explained myself very poorly—and maybe I did. You hit it on the nose.

i understood from the beginning but it still is to the point that without adding extra buttons to the vci-300 it is impossible as a 'feature request' without giving some idea of HOW you would like to trigger the loops

OHHHHHH... got it... yeah that isnt likely...

I don't think it's more buttons, he just wants the option to turn the "out 1/loop" button to the "activate/deactivate first saved loop" button. I agree, since they would actually be useful at that point - as it stands they are very limited in functionality imho.

that is what i thought he was saying. but then it was directed that he didnt want the cue buttons connect to the loops and that is what confused me

Right now to have a saved loop, it has to be connected to a cue point. If you save a loop it automatically makes the start of that loop a cue point as well. Since there are only three cue points, you can only have up to three cue points and/or loops per track, which is a strange limitation. If the two were separated, saved loops wouldn't come at the cost of a cue point.

so basically it is just a terminology thing?
wanting cue out to jump to a loop (aka cue point) and trigger the loop.
sorry i am still not following

kraal, i don't recall if you were a SSL user or not, but if you or anyone else reading this wasn't an SSL user, you won't notice this at all and can ignore this post as it doesn't apply to you since you won't be aware of the difference. this a software related request, not hardware.

if you are however a SSL user as well (i use both), try this if you still don't understand:

1) open SSL
2) load a track (i suggest to use one with no cue points)
3) create a loop
4) save the loop
5) close SSL

6) open ITCH
7) load same track
8) notice the out1/loop trigger with the preloaded loop light up. now notice that the cue1/in trigger to the left does not light up (assuming that you used a track with no cue points).

9) while still in ITCH, create a new loop (cue2/in and then out2/loop )
10) save loop
11) notice the cue2/in now has a cue where the loop2 starts. notice you CANNOT clear cue2 without clearing loop2.

any mods or developers have any word on if this may be possible?

ah thats why i am so confused :)

now how do you trigger the loops in SSL
and how to you triggure the CUES in SSL

SSL & SL1/SL3
1) mouse click on software
2) hot keys on keyboard
3) assigning MIDI triggers on a controller

That is unless you're using the TTM57 then it can be toggled from the mixer.

so loops are seperate from cues in ssl ?

Yup, it's like in the NS7. (It has a 10 loops bank.)
That's why the NS7 loops aren't always compatible on the VCI machine.

So generaly speaking and concerning this issue only, the SSL users will comprehend themselves more in the NS7 behaviour then in the VCI behaviour.

No, I don't want the cue out point to jump to the loop, just to activate it so that when the song gets to that point it will loop.

thats how it works now... you can turn on a loop anywhere in the song and have it loop when it gets to that point...

Sorry - I don't want each loop to be chained to a cue point either. How do you turn on the saved loop?

with the Loop button... right on the right of the cue button...


this thread is soooooooo confusing!!!!

yeah pressing loop out will 'activate' the loop. you dont have to care about the actual connection if you dont want unless you NEED three stand alone cue point and 3 stand alone loops. which i asked earlier and was told the amounts didnt matter so again i dont see what the issue is or rather what the intended feature is

haha, you guys are making it more confusing. Socross totally gets what I'm talking about.

TO ALL NON SSL USERS, PLEASE IGNORE THIS THREAD!

kraal, you didn't come from SSL, so please ignore this since your not aware of the difference is, no offense, but you're making it more confusing. the number of loops and cues are almost irrelevant as I said (i might want none, I might want 5 cues), because I know that that software is capable of having a stand alone loop WITHOUT having to assign a cue point with it only because I've seen it with the files that I've saved loops with originally from SSL. i'm asking to have that OPTION implemented in ITCH. unfortunately, most of this thread is explaining this to you and you won't even know what we're talking about. ;)

DJdaveZ
get out while you still can.

let's end this thread, I think it's been explained as best as we could by myself and Socross. +1 if you guys support it or move along. thanks.

non taken :).
just a warning IF it does get implemented you may need to re explain it to me one more time :)

thanks for the friendly advice!