Wasn't feeling it after the first listen.

Well you need to hear it without interruptions!

heard it this morning.....that song will blow up soon.

By 'without interruptions' do you mean without Flex rewinding it a dozen times?

Yea man!

I can provide it for radio mixers. let me know your email address

I listened to it this morning and I really like it.

Still a thumbs down from me.

Is this the dubstep track i read about on yahoo news?
.......... three things I thought I'd never say in the same sentence.

Jay Z ...... Dubstep ....... Yahoo news

lol, it's the otis song........ which I listened to yesterday on yahoo news minus all the funk flex shenanigans... roflcopter

This song is Dope. This is what Hip Hop is suppose to sound like... I'll be playing it 2nite.

... reminds me of "Brooklyn's Finest". Dope Lyrics!

THis joint is FiRe... if you appreciate non-cookie cutter "Hip-Hop", you'll like this joint. If you're stuck on Fruity Looped, saw-tooth synth crap production, this track ain't for you.

Lyrical creativity was not that great on this song.

Im not feelin vocals over the vocal sample. Too much going on.

+100

+200

Isn't that one of the golden rules of mixing?

Although I like the concept and happen to think otis redding is da man :0

Yeah me too i was kinda disappointed cuz i was ohhhh shit this sample is hot. Then they didnt really flip it.

They just let it rock, sounds lazy.

+4080

The Game - Uncle Otis

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Uncle Otis (Disses Jay-Z, Kreayshawn, Big Sean, Amber Rose, Marc Anthony, 50 Cent)


This shit for my uncle Otis

Here’s a dome shot to this nigga named Otis
Niggas think they the coldest but nigga you just the oldest
Niggas be chasing they youth but it’s gone
Yo ‘Ye, this nigga aint even wanna put you on
And then he turned around, put on Sean
But forget to tell em Benny Han Han don’t sell no f-cking Wonton’s
I don’t wear Sean John, but f-ck with that Ciroc shit
Tupac back, well Hit Em Up on some Pac shit
Who run the world? Jayceon
Will Kelly Rowland come and be my Motivation
If you invented swag then I invented gangsta
Got one in the chamber, the Throne is now in danger
And I dont wear no Gucci Gucci Fendi Fendi Prada
I’m Charles Louboutin, you niggas aint sayin’ nada
Lil white bitch better stay in ya place
You call me a nigga, I’ma put the K in ya face
It’s a stick up bitch

(So put your hands up in the air)
(I just wanna, I just wanna, I just wanna)
Know is any Gangstas up in here?
I do it, I do it, boi
So put your hands up in the air
(I just wanna, I just wanna, I just wanna)
Know is any Gangstas up in here?
I do it

Call Khaled, tell him F-ck it, I’m on one
I created Tyler, the Creator
Here go courtside seats
You are now watching the greatest
Shades blocking the haters
Stays rocking the layers
The Show Goes On
Til I start aiming the Lasers and Lupe is souffle
Half you muthaf-ckers its the Drew league
I don’t wanna speak about the Rucker
Cause Jennifer Lopez just got a divorce and I already got her up in the Porsche
Tryna teach you How To love
How To Love
Marc Anthony too short (bitch)
Look how that nigga look
And I’m 6 foot 7 foot 8 foot Crooks and Castles
All my niggas crooks with castles
Red Nation graduation yeah crooks with tassels
It’s a party, it’s a party, it’s a party
Sittin up in Marvins Room, blowing that Marley
You wanna hit it, so put ya hands up in the air

(So put your hands up in the air)
(I just wanna, I just wanna, I just wanna)
Know is any Gangstas up in here?
I do it, I do it, boi
So put your hands up in the air
(I just wanna, I just wanna, I just wanna)
Know is any Gangstas up in here?
I do it

I got the money up in the rubber band
Don’t run up on me, try to take it from me (boom)
I aint Morris Chestnut, I aint Ricky
But I give you 9 shots, you can call that Fifty
Dre got that Super Bass I just call it Nicki
Working on that Detox, blowin on that sticky
Can I hit it In The Morning?
Better be a quickie
Gotta hustle hard, Ace, Tunechi and Ricky
Waves Frank Ocean, you can see my Odd Future
You gon need more than Novacaine after I shoot ya
Yesterday I went to Coachella not to see Jigga
I went to see Wiz but theres Amber, perfect
I took a seat on the red futon
Hit it with that Wiz shit on, whatever
So put that pussy on my face
and let me taste, a little taste
I’ma eat it up like it’s my last
I’ma I’ma do it different, she aint gettin no cash
You know why? I’m Not A Star
Somebody lied I got a chppper in the car, huh
That aint a lie

(So put your hands up in the air)
(I just wanna, I just wanna, I just wanna)
Know is any Gangstas up in here?
I do it, I do it, boi
So put your hands up in the air
(I just wanna, I just wanna, I just wanna)
Know is any Gangstas up in here?
I do it

..poor game

Are you serious? I disagree... the track is dope, lyrics is dope.

Whoever thinks this is lazy doesn't even realize how Kanye flipped the track. Hip Hop doesn't have to have an intricate track with a million loudness-war things going on. Some of ya'll are so use to today's fetti production posing as hip hop, you've forgotten the essence. Braggadocio and a basic loop goes back to day one... "I'm talkin', check books, credit cards, mo' money... than a sucka could ever spend..." - "Rapper's Delight" - Sugarhill Gang for the newbies. Radio has clouded some of ya'lls vision. I don't blame ya.


-4081

That's cool, back to Drakeville, Weezieville, Mileytown and Souljasburg you go. I guess I favor the oldschool/trueschool sound of Hip Hop over what's been force fed to today's youth. I can't wait for this album + Nas' new joint.

Meh, it's ok. I'm not really thrilled.

and rick ross

and wakka




is it just me or does the structure of this song seem eerily similar to how to rob?

Yeah I just C&P'd it.

its on my12inch without big mouth flex.

...Photo shoot fresh
Looking like wealth
I’m about to call the paparazzi on myself...

...I adopted these n*ggas, Phillip Drummond them...

...Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses
Sophisticated ignorance
Write my curses in cursive...

...I get it custom
You a customer
You aint accustomed to going through customs
You aint been nowhere huh?
And all the ladies in the house got them showing off
I’m done I hit ya up, mana-naaaaaaa!!!

Seems pretty creative to me.

....he aint no weezy though ...MAUAHAHAHAH

its nice

An hour mix of soul sampled hip-hop and beats, including "Otis" as the final track.

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Common - Start the Show (inst)
Dirty Art Club - Napalm Skyline
Stefano Torossi - Running Fast
Q-Tip - Move
Electrice Wire Hustle - That You Steve
J Dilla - Last Donut of the Night
Marvin Gaye - Got to Give it Up
Curtis Mayfield - Move On Up
J Dilla - Two Can Win
Flying Lotus - Fall in Love
Beat Konducta - Get it Right
Raekwon - Piss in the Shark Tank
Marvin Gaye - American Dreaming
Bobby "Blue" Bland - Ain't No Love
Jay-Z - Heart of the City
Madlib - Pyramids
Nas - Nas is Like
J Dilla - Throwback (inst)
Are You My Woman - The Chi-Lites
Jackson 5 - We're Almost There
Common - Break My Heart (inst)
Madlib - SLim's Revenge
Kanye - Lord Lord Lord (ft Mos Def)
Gil Scott Heron - Home is Where the Heart Is
Common - Be (intro)
J Dilla - Runnin' (inst)
Wu Tang - CREAM
Zapp & Roger - It's Gonna Be Alright
2Pac - Keep Your Head Up
Freda Payne - I Get High
Styles P - Good Times
J Dilla - Light My Fire
Kanye & Jay-Z - Otis

If you like it play it. I'm just saying it's no Brooklyn's Finest and Jay's verses ain't on the blueprint level on this song. Hope the album is better.

^ I agree. It's not on that level.....

still, this song will BLOW UP.

IMHO its hot! But it will have to grow on you. And that comes with the many many many times HOT 97 plays it. Death of Autotune just come out of rotation

iTunes has it

with out funk flex

I think the track is OK but I would get tired of it pretty quickly. And FFS "I HATE Funk Flex". I really hate him. STFU and play the track you fucking imbecile. Stop that corny ass bomb dropping and stop talking pure inane drivel all the time. Guy needs to retire and just cash his pension already.

flex is slipping he barely drops any bombs on the song how are we supposed to tell if its hot or not

LOL

I was having an excellent musical day until i heard Flex!!! There are few things in life that grind my gears but his HORRIBLE voice takes the cake!!!

for all u catz on the radio. The track is available and has been on Newmusicserver.

the otis redding vocals with their rap vocals is just too much for me.

and that soul sampled mix up there is wack (haven't even listened) simply because you didn't include any ghostface. dude is the king of sampling soul for his raps.

lol. i'll throw some starks on the next one.

man, when I first saw that kanye and hov did a song together i was like, oh boy, this'll be good. then i heard it and tbh i think it's wack, i don't like the beat, just my opinion

The shit is hot, but it's not gonna be for everybody. The mix is cool, as long as I can understand the lyrics. Goin' off this, I definitely wanna hear the rest of the album/cd.

first thing I thought before I turned it off

doesnt flex talk about his mustang a bit much these days...i mean nice ride but most of us good swing coppin that...

+1 good shit my dude

Dude has had a partnership with Ford forever.. Not a coincidence their latest crossover vehicle was called the "Flex"

...has misquote written all over it

thanks man. i put up another one too, has the original song sampled by Jay-Z and Nas on "Success" and some other goodies on it too.

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The song is kool not ground breaking by any stretch but better than most of today's main stream garbage

I have to say, U think anyone but Jigga & Kanye woulda got sample clearance for that?????

Wonder how much it cost them!

I didn't know clearing samples was super expensive.

I think the estate of the artist gets a big chunk of the profits from such an obvious sample.

Kinda depends on how high profile the artist is/was, & then how obvious the sample is.

Id say pretty high on the scale for both of them!

Part of the genius of the track. How do you think Jay Z has stayed relevant for so many years? He knows how to dumb down his lyrics enough for the younger generation but still keep them somewhat relevant to his older fans

now THAT is a cop out

More like the rights holder to the song, which for most stax/volt recording is now atlantic. That being said, I saw an interview with ?uestlove on CrateKings.com where he said that Kanye had bought the old stax/volt master tapes... not sure if that's true. Anyone else know? I sure as hell hope not, cause I think he is a very clumsy sampler/producer (?uestlove called him "lazy" in the interview).

Who the hell disses Marc Anthony hes a salsa singer.

...j-lo?

How is it a cop out? please explain your reasoning behind that statement

What are ?uestlove's production credits? I like Kanye's production and lyrical skills. I can't knock his musical talents in any way except the mastering has been getting overbearingly loud lately.

He has produced for artists such as Common, D'Angelo, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, Bilal, Jay-Z, Nikka Costa and more recently, Al Green, Amy Winehouse and John Legend. He is a member of the production teams the Soulquarians, The Randy Watson Experience, and The Grand Wizzards.

lol this popped out at me to

i like ?uest pop dj sets. very well done. saw him a few weeks ago. saw him play with e. badu for dirks birthday in dallas.

?eustlove is the shit! any one who say otherwise clearly does not know music.

#jussayin

If he's knocking Kanye and calling him lazy, he might as well knock any and all other Hip Hop producers.

played it at several gigs over this weekend and the crowds went crazy.

I played it for my Friday and Saturday night crowds the last 15 minutes of the night. I'm gonna put play it during prime time hours this weekend.

This shit is not that hot. I don't care if people go crazy over it or not - those same people who go crazy over shit are the same people we make fun of 90% of the time. I always thought if a song has to "grow on you" it might not be that hot in the first place.

This song kicks the current trend of rap music. Totally opposite of the tracks "we make fun of 90% of the time". A bunch of non-musican 'Hip Hop' producers attempting to bang out their own tracks with rudimentary saw-synth keyboard riffs. 90% of them were never trained in music anyway (their schools didn't offer it), and should stick to sampling. This track is classic back-n-forth rhyming, gritty and raw (but needs mastering). I hope the album is just as dope.

You are saying he's smart because he's keeping it dumb.
I guess you could also say that mcdonald's chefs are the best in the world because they keep it mass produced so the people keep craving it, and that Pauly D is an awesome DJ because he keeps it simple for his ignorant crowds.
I don't think you can give someone props for doing a half-ass job, that's all.

there it is right there, he is NOT, repeatm NOT doing a "half ass job", his JOB is to sell records and yes the best way to sell records is to dumb it down to the lowest common denominator.

Now hes doing a disservice to the ART but art and job are 2 seperate things. Dumbing it down isnt the best way to be remembered as the greatest but it IS a great way to move numbers, sell records, and make money. You dont accomplish this by appealing to the 5% of the population who can think

aand its not a cop out, hell jay himself addressed this

That's true, if you mean job as in what you do to make money. I was referring to the effort... The original statement was that the lyrics weren't as tight as they used to be, and the response was that that was "Part of the genius of the track" to dumb down the lyrics. I say that's a cop out for the reasons above.

Beyond this song or Jay-Z, I think that integrity is hugely important. Jay-Z has more money than anybody (except his ex wife), and I'm not buying his excuse of "needing" to sell more and that he could rap better if he wanted to. I think/know that a lot of people have to make themselves more palatable to the public to get signed, etc, but those days are long gone for him.

(ps, just to add fuel to the fire, I wasn't expecting much from the song because I think it basically features 2 of the 3 most overrated rappers ever, and I can't speak to Jay's lyrics falling off because his best lyrics were always stolen from biggie lol)

WHAT??

I disagree, its STILL his JOB to sell as many units as possible, steve jobs didnt get apple where it is then say ok we have an ipod now let me fire my R&D dept because we dont need anything else. Its still his job to move units and hes built his success on a fanbase hes dumbed it down for, he didnt hit mainstream success with dead presidents he did it with H to the izzo so you cant say those days are gone because thats whats hes built himself as. Also lets say since hes rich now he goes back to amasing lyrical prowess....he loses half his audience and his sales plumment, do you think people will look at that like he took it to the next level or damn son fell off HARD in 11\12?



Once again hes already proven that thats what works for him, the eforts still there, you said it himself the lyrics arent what they used to be....but his album sales consistantly go UP with the decrese of his lyrics..

I think its dope as fuck. Just reminds me of when Kanye and Jay first started workin together. And I like how simple and like Jay said soulful. It felt like Kanye was experimenting alot on his last couple of albums. Im glad he's back to jus choppin up some soul classics. I hope the rest of the album goes back to old Kanye like this record. How can you not nod your head to Jay and Kanye flowin over that beat and vocal sample. Its definitely a great change from every other hip hop record that comes out...............................Sorry im jus tired of this BS hip hop out lately. lol

What I'm trying to relay is how can he call Kanye lazy? To me, Kanye is one of the doper producers out there so to call him lazy makes the rest truly sub standard and exalts ?uestlove's work to a higher standard.

I don't know of any groundbreaking ?uestlove productions of famous notoriety. I only really knew of him as a great drummer and avid music collector/part-time DJ. If he DID call Kanye lazy, what are his tracks sounding like and how in demand is his production? Forget collaborative production efforts or projects he attributed to... show me some full credit songs and let's compare them to Kanye's. I don't think they'd compare.

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What stuff in particular?

Just for clarity, that is a list of albums he has appeared on as a drummer or producer, on certain tracks. That list makes out like he was the sole producer of those albums when he most definately was not.

Yeah... when I saw that list including: 1st Born Second and Voodoo, I was like "whoa" but he wasn't sole producer. He may have drummed or contributed a song or two but not sole effort.

Jus this mainstreamed stuff that's all over the radio and clubs.

Gotcha.

where do you play it when it went crazy? i live in a top 10 market and i cant imagine people even knowing what it was.

I don't think the people who talk about that stuff would really notice... I mean nobody's like "wow justin beiber is so awesome but whatever happened to n Sync?" People who follow pop and the covers of people magazine don't care about what was hot last week unless it becomes a trainwreck like Britney Spears did.

Really though, let's use you as an example... you often complain about having to play BS hood music because that's what your crowd wants and how you'd like to play more EDM. Let's say you blow up to the point where you get to dictate what you'd play... you wouldn't stick exclusively to hood stuff, you'd go where you want to go. And I'd like to believe that those of us who do music for a living may enjoy the perks like girls & drinks & vip status but really when push comes to shove it's about expressing ourselves through the music!
And certainly that doesn't exclude somebody from doing a cheesey song or a radio song or whatever to gain a wider audience, but once you get that audience you show them your soul (if you have one). I mean sure I'll play whatever pop/radio tune at a club but I'll also flip it and play the original sample or a dubplate on it or something.... but I'm not gunna say I could be DJ AM or Platurn or A Track but I'm not gunna because I wanna play more spots or get more money!
Oh, and I don't think the Steve Jobs example works, cause I don't think he's dumbed down anything... obviously everyone's "job" is to sell more or whatever, but as an ARTIST your job is to express yourself!

Looks like the album will be loaded with tracks by Hip Hop's elite producers: Pete ROck, Swizz Beatz, Kanye, Q-Tip, No ID, RZA, The Neptunes and a few other dudes I'm not familiar with.

www.rap-up.com

Doesn't breath commercial to me... that's good and even better for 'Hip Hop' music.

how could it not be commercial when jay and kanye and all the big commercial producers are on it?

I honestly don't know what the original context was for the ?uestlove comment, but I can see where he's coming from a little, especially with this otis track. Let's be for real, this is the most famous part of one of the stax/volts' 3 or 4 best selling songs of all time, by an iconic singer. It's been covered hundreds of times, there's a movie practically based on it, etc. It didn't take digging or creative thinking here, hell I tried to sample the same part of the same song in 1988 on my tascam tape recorder with my dad's record for a "rap album" I made in 7th grade. Now I'm not taking credit for his use of it or anything but pointing out that if a 12 year old can try it in 1988, a guy like ?ueslove who learned to play the drums and samples some awesome and totally obscure tracks might get a little frustrated by it. Two of his other biggest songs, "gold digger" and "jesus walks" show a similar lack of nuance and digging. Not that I can do better or that most producers do, but I think a lot of people disrespect puffy for just lifting tunes and this is somewhat similar.

Despite everything else I'm saying, I AM looking forward to the album, especially with the above info. I really really really hope that since everybody already knows this album is gunna sell like crazy that they take some time and really push listeners' minds with it instead of just a bunch of party and bullshit bling bling swag swag stuff.

Some producers are commercial but there is no denying the sheer quality of the names mentioned. I am now more intrigued by this album than I was to begin with.

i dont think its the samples fault, you can flip a sample a 1000 times and it still be dope on the 1001 time, this just isnt that great. not bad, not great. its like the mia heat, most of the time lbj and wade are great, sometimes not so much.

your kidding right? Apples entire market is built on the "it just works" market, everything they make is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator

Well perfect example, If i was playing hood stuff and blew up sure I would love to move to all EDM crowds but odds are it wouldnt work because i never earned those crowds. Look at little jon he started DJing crazy EDM partys in the ATL, then blew up on YEEAHHHHH WHHATTTTT hood rap, now hes working on getting back into DJing EDM events and every week theres a new thread going "lil jons selling out now everyones a DJ", his numbers are def down and noones really taking him seriously because hes doing things hes not known for

Damn that's like saying microsoft's market is based on the "we're just a few years behind apple but we're cheaper"

Still comparing apples to apples (ha ha ha), we're talking about art here, not computers

OK forum historian, let's find those "every week new thread" about lil john "selling out"... I remember one talking about "everybody's a dj" where the OP got smacked down by folks that remembered their history. Sure his "numbers" may be down (what numbers you refer to I'm not sure), but it's not like he's in the welfare line, he making plenty money, and plenty people are going to see him play at awesome venues. He's doing what he wants to do and people who are desperate for his old stuff can, as Jay Z said so well, "buy my old album."
As far as YOU moving to all EDM, it would take a while to get credence there, BUT you'd be willing to do that cause it's what you love, right? And in reality, it may not be the best analogy... that's two whole different genres, where the original quote that got you & I going was that Jay Z had to dumb down his raps, not switch to country. Again, as an artist, IF you're an artist, you have to express yourself, you can't just say "well I'm as good as XYZ but I just do this to sell" and expect me to believe it when you are at a point in your career where YOU can dictate what you do!

ps I can't believe I'm getting into it with Bezzle! lol

heres a few its mentioned in

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Crunk Rock

lol just a conversation no biggy lol

nah, I know... we're both having a good time (not sure about everyone else reading this here lol)

LOL!!

Have you listened to the original "Try a Little Tenderness" song? Kanye flipped the intro and chose the meat of the original that sounds the dopest. I like his rendition as much as the Masta Killa "DTD" joint.

Ask yourself...
Beside better sound quality/mastering, how could it have been done better?
How would YOU have flipped it?
WOuld you have been bold enough in today's Hip-Pop era to choose a sample like this and use it RZA style? ... rapping over it Ghostface style?

He's bucking the current trends and innovating.


I can accept that. I think it's dope though and I'm gonna push it and anything else on the album if it's dance floor worthy. It gives me sanity to play things I like in my sets and not be suffocated by crap music and crap music requests.

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OK forum historian, let's find those "every week new thread" about lil john "selling out"... I remember one talking about "everybody's a dj" where the OP got smacked down by folks that remembered their history


heres a few its mentioned in

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OK, so that's every week? Lol. 2 of those threads only have his name referring to a song the DJ played. Tune up your search button! lol

And I'll tune up my quote button! (Sorry)

As to the crunk rock thing... is that album EDM? Because you said he's trying EDM and his stuff is falling off. From what I've (and what the reviews seem to say) is that album is just more of a rather tired formula... that still debuted at 49. And how many of us would kill to have an album debut at 49?
And lastly, has he ever had good reviews from critics? Or even 90% of the Djs on here?

Crunk Rock was a failure because it had no substance and he didn't promote to his target audience. Not only that Lil Jon should not be making solo albums he is a hype man on a track not the lead IMO.

Lol, did you read my post?
I listened to the original, I have it on 45, I sampled it myself when I was in the 7th grade, in nearly the same way (except that my sound quality was even worse, just holding up my tascam tape recorder to my my dads stereo).
I'm happy as hell people are sampling the soul classics again! But I get blown away by SUBTLE samples, not obvious ass lifting the most famous part of a famous song. When I heard Pete Rock's "they reminisce over you," I loved it. It took me years to find Tom Scott's "Today" and I'm still blown away that Pete Rock took that little ass sax part and built such a different song around it. The same can be said for 93 till infinity & Billy Cobham's "Heather." I can see why a producer who focuses on digging & subtlety might think the "Otis" sample was a little lazy, that's all. (or the jesus walks one, or the gold digger one).
The reality is that not many people could have flipped it like that because it isn't cookie cutter "2011 pop rap," but the reality is also that these guys don't need the label, the label needs them. They could release a standup comedy album together and it would sell big at first. Since they have that power, I think it is incumbent on them to push the art forward (and I would argue that this album will!). Just like as DJs we gotta play the obvious bangers that we may not like but we also have to push the crowd forward a bit, too.

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I agree with you 100 percent. Im always researching Hip-Hop producers sample material and sometimes Im blown away from what little part of another track, they can base a whole new sound around for their own beat. This Otis sample is nothing special at all. You can talk about how he flipped it etc but for me, its just basic sampling 101 that he uses, its hardly groundbreaking on any level.

think about how many samples on classic rap hits came from the UBB series? lots of well know samples spawned classics and had been sampled many times before.

Oh for sure! And how many early hip hop producers were pissed that those secret beats were suddenly out there for everybody? Even so, those UBB records were hard to find and the tracks were/are still mostly under the radar. Hell, finding those breaks on vinyl (especially on 45!) is a life time goal for me and I am no where near done.
I wish hip hop was still based on that stuff... fabolous' "kilin em" tune based on "synthetic substitution" is still one of my favorite tracks of 2011! I don't mind that the beat is used a million times, but the bass & keyboards in that track make it a vehicle for self expression (and I like the way it sounds under dancehall vocals).

Pete Rock sampled the same amount of horn flute in that Tom Scott song that Kanye did of "Otis". T.R.O.Y. is a true classic and masterpiece of a song but when you hear the original, you realize the sample isn't subtle.


So would you say Premier's "Come Clean" wasn't dope just because it wasn't intricate and it was basic? How about OC's "Times Up", ATCQ's "Check the Rhime", Public Enemy's "Rebel without a Pause", Dre's "G-Thang"? All of them have basic sampling.

Now THIS is an absolute masterpiece, work of art and genius work: Watchwww.youtube.com

Yes them songs were dope. Dont get your point there. Thats not the issue. The issue is that what Kanye did with Otis is hardly groundbreaking. You naming the songs above just validates my point. And yeah, I love that Shook Ones sample.

My point is that his sampling of "Otis" doesn't have to be intricate to be dope. It's dope yet basic. Not a track on the level of the above songs I mentioned but still nice.

Oh definitely , but how many tom scott records did we have before that dropped? And even if we did, did we recognize it right away? Also, he only sampled that little horn, not anything else from the song. That to me makes it more subtle than taking everyone's favorite part of huge hit. That's all, but either way I'm happy that soul is making its way back into mainstream hip hop!

I NEVER said it had to be intricate to be dope. I was making the point that is is basic sampling 101 and not a tad groundbreaking or innovative as you put it. That was all.

+1

You're forgetting the track. He took tons of parts from the "Today" song. The actual riding beat is all Tom Scott, the "Dah-da-dah-da-daaaa" part. Listen to both again.

I'm wondering how "flipping it the way RZA" would, and then rapping over it "the way Ghost would" is innovative.

If the song is dope to you Gaffle, cool, if it's not to others, cool. It's all opinion. But I see where Alkemy is going by way of ?uestlove's statement.

I don't know if the Pete Rock track was the best example, except if to say most people know the Otis song, (it's one of the most famous songs of the genre/era) among others that Kanye samples vs. not too many people knowing Tom Scott.

good point! Mi malo! Been staring at this damn screen all day and my brain has turned to mush!

Shit, I mean Delgado! Sorry Alkemy, you're usually in the middle of these convos and my eyes should be in a pair of glasses right now, with this monitor half way across the room I'm squinting as is and didn't pay attention to the name.

lol. My feelings hurt. Just kidding, I didn't even notice! I think I'm having a similar problem with the screen/brain.

So your basically calling me an argumentative little so and so?....Well I never :-)

HAHA no, I just mean if it centers around Hip Hop, most likely you're there.

Lol. Gotcha. I am looking forward to the LP just because of the other producers involved though. Hope it dont let me down like the terrible Bad Meets Evil album.

I don't know, Gold Digger was obvious, BUT still genius....

I never thought I'd say that about Kanye being genius...

Even if some samples are obvious its still a thin line artists are treading by doing that. Some will carry it off and others wont. I think Kanye pulled it off 100 percent with Gold Digger.

I agree. But again, I was just trying to explain why ?uestlove called him "lazy."

Its a touchy thing because sampling in itself is lazy, if you wanna go there. But lets not lol.

I have to DISAGREE...

The Art of Sampling is NOT lazy, if done correctly.

Actually, Sampling is the TRUE ESSENCE of how HipHop began...

Using other peoples beats and rhyming over them...

Gives familiarity to keep your attention, while introducing something....

I was kidding lol. Im a sample junkie. I was using the age old and tired argument that people who dont like hip-hop give. As we were :-)

The first thing I thought when I heard Otis was "can you play something with a beat?"

There's this huge build up then a big let down when no drums kick in. It's like they had a few channels muted when they rendered the files. After all that BS Kanye went through over the drums on Stronger, I refuse to believe this is the final mix of this song. He could have at least filtered the underlying vocals or something... damn.

Yeah, I think the vocals over vocals thing is a little much...and the beat could have been flipped a little better...

However, the attempt at the rhyming back and forth with no southern drawl is refreshing...

Jay Z was lazy in his delivery though...

album is suppose to drop September 20ish

thats my entire point

LoL, and you live tri-state area... imagine what we go through living down south!?!??!

All ya'll Young Money fans take a back seat... another track from Jay and Ye: www.desihits.com It's called "The Joy".

That one is sort of old but still good album material.

Good look gaffle, Im feeling Otis! & the new one's kinda dope too, H.A.M. was meh! But overall im excited to get the whole album.

i met a group of girls in an escalade, they came with you but left with may lol

Don't like it. Vocals over vocals makes it even worst.

played it last nite, actually got a decent response in a larger bottle service venue.

like it or not...it's a hit

I agree.

nm

im not sure, maybe.we'll see in a few weeks we should know.

i always think about the live show when it comes to any song...and from what ive seen playing this out gets ppl hype so from that aspect...its a hit. i'm tired of hiding behind whats real hip hop and what used to be quality, im living right now and that was the past. as long as it aint no damn soulja boy kiddie rap...i can dig it if the ppl can dig it...what i listen to personally that's a whole another conversation.

Are you guys giving this spins? If so what's the reaction looking like??

I'm thinking about taking it for a test spin on Saturday night

It's a hit def will hit top 20 urban charts. I don't think it will chart anywhere else

all three of those songs suck.

otis is ok but the other versions are much better-----jadakiss & styles, skillz & young chris & freeway all made remixes andkilled that beat moreso that jay & ye.

ham was/is gross

and the joy was a bore.

The vocals over vocals thing aint nothing new with Kanye, he done it with All Falls down & Never Let Me Down to name a couple but maybe a little subtler in the past. Anyway, I agree with bicedidit, Ham was shite and Joy is in the same boat as Otis for me, nothing special at all. I cant see anyone playing it at all after a couple of months. And Kanye has gone for some straight obvious samples with Otis and Joy.

good song but wont work with my crowds

Watchwww.youtube.com

It's getting radio play on both Atlanta urban radio stations during prime time hours which is very surprising to me. They usually only push songs with an Intelligence Quotient of 50 or less.

I just hope the industry gets BACK to sampling, so we have REAL BEATS to chop up, and some type of standard production to work with...

I'm tired of all these extended horn, battlestar galactica intros...

Give me a beat dammit.

I hear ya. Check out Oddisee if you can. Supremely underated beat maker/emcee

This is good to play in the car. Not club worthy. I play Hip Hop & R&B at residency. This would clear the floor except for a few hood rats.

And WTF?!? Kanye is STILL alive? Isn't he 27 yet?

yea oddisee is nice. kev brown, all those dudes....
ever hear that Kenn Starr and kev brown album---starr status? FIRE

but these keyboard beats are soooooo easy to make and there is no sample to clear bla bla bla.

premier/rza/showbiz/45 king etc etc are top tier producers and dont get the respect they deserve

news.yahoo.com

^^^jay & ye are to fcuking rich to be doing this shit.

its fcuked up for mom and pop shops

+1 they need to show some more class than that. Like they don't remember kickin at the record store. Like Jay Z wasn't beggin those shops to sell his mixtapes.

Liked it the first time I heard it. Definitely most annoying release of the year + worst beatjack ever!

jay should give it up...from what i hear from pretty much everyone i know they dont like anything he does...i think rap is a two - three album affair seems like after that you never live up to anyones expectations....i say when your that rich why even make music

lol its all pop music anyway

He fucks BEYONCE every day of his life. He doesnt need to rap anymore.

"oooh so your saying she had the snappy nappy dug out?"

this +1

+5000!

Bump. So anybody have any idea where I can preview the album before I cop it? Im at freakin work.

they actually made a decent album with some bangers.

and russian websites. its out. its pretty good. 7.5 outta 10 for me

i disagree. after my preliminary evaluation.....

crap.

opinions are like....

I think the album is garbage.

Nothing to rush out to get

for a group of DJ, most people on this board have dreadful taste in music.

lol

+1

shit is jammin, and the board does have bad taste. yall haters gonna hate.

Beisdes Audio 1 that i do respect, I can't belive people like that New Korn skrillex remix, that shit is horrible with a capitol H. In my area brostep is getting tiered and i love that.

you can lsten or buy it from itunes today. Regardless if you hate it, if you are a hip hop dj, you have no choice but to buy it because everybody is going to want to hear it. itunes has the deluxe. just my one cent.

Oh how little you know me

I havent heard the album but Ima go listen now and report back

i had it for a few days now and i'm not impressed. i was expecting something epic like Ironman or The Black Album. #fail

why would you expect that? the black album was done at the pinnacle of jay-z's career, he's well past his prime, but still dope. kanye is not even close to Graduation levels, even though the last album was bad. i was just glad it turned out better than r. kelley and jay's unmasterpiece.

anybody notice a trend when jay colabs with ppl...the albums always come out less than stellar but when he does him his joints are usually better...sorry but jada and styles did otis the right way...this album needed more time in the kitchen you can tell it was rushed on the scale of 1-10 i give it a 3.5

i expect it because it is Jay-Z and Kanye West. I expect it because every artist should strive to make their best music every album they put out. I expect it because it is Jay-Z and Kanye West.

lol NOPE, very untrue -1

it's alright not the best but I for sure like the sample...only thing about it to me the sample takes over the song making it hard to listen to the lyrics. Could be just me but too much going on in the song for a crowd to truly enjoy it. I love the sample but I think it is used to much.... IMOP

i was talking about the song.... :)

I agree with Nyce....... got it a week ago...and wasn't impressed..BUT Otis does kill it in the club.

Listened briefly to the whole album. Not to impressed with all the beats. Gonna keep listenin closer to the lyrics. It could be one of those albums you have to listen to a half dozen times for it really to sink in. Otis really had me excited to hear this album. Kinda let down. We'll see if it grows on me.

i personally really like the album. you can tell they were going for cinematic deep shit, not really any radio hits.

i like it better than jigga's last album, but i can't say i like it better than yeezy's last.

def a few epic stadium jams. that beyonce song intro is bigggg.

8.5/10

Not one club banger on the album. From marketing standpoint its always good to have at least 1 club banger on an album

deep male voice: ((( THIS IS A DJ NATURE EX-EX--EX---EX----EXCLUSIVE )))

female voice: You heard it here first!!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Uuuugh!!

Otis is already a club banger.

On another note why is track 13, 8 mins. plus, but the first 3+ mins. is silent? ( on the deluxe edition)

no club bangers? otis isnt even close to a banger compared to other trax.

youve never had a CD\tape with a hidden track before?

Having fun listening to Ni**as in Paris....But all this money, money, money talk is getting old....my .02

yes bezz,but it was silent

huh?

if you have the cd listen to track 13 and you will see

its 3 minutes of silence then the song starts correct?

this isnt even the first time jay z has done this, the hidden tracks on Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter. ("Jigga My Nigga" and "Girl's Best Friend" ) had a minute of silence before them and Jay-Z: The Blueprint"Breathe Easy" and a remix of "Girls, Girls, Girls" remix of "lucfer" play after some noise

lucfer,,,,,the shit

okay so it wasnt just me

apparently they said something about it on itunes

well i rerecorded it in audacity...problem solved

So MTV will be world premiering the "Otis" video on tonight at 8:5x EST. I like the song but hope the video isn't a waste.

MTV plays videos?

probably going to guest start Satin himself

What? Too Soon?

maybe they''ll wear satan jackets.

lol

Video was disappointing. Spike Jones should retire. Moving on...

Link?

www.mtv.com

Average song with a rubbish video. Why everyone was anticipating this album so much is beyond me.

I don't even know why artist make music videos anymore. People don't watch music videos like they used to.

the only song that i got of that albumn is "Ni**as in paris". ONLY because of the beat. has a nasty bassline that my subs looooooove!

yeah, thats just a blatantly obvious club banger.

i like the video, cool concept trashin a bently

It's a Maybach

Video doesn't suck...It BLOWS.
Jay can stay...Kanye gotta die.

Luckily for me i dont have to take a side on this one, im not alout (legal reasons) to play any jay z in my club so ill be on the sideline for this one

I didn't get to listen to the album yet, but I change my mind about Otis, it grew on me hardcore, and the video isn't groundbreaking, but it looks like a fun video (hello, a chopped up, doughnut doing Maybach)

I thought he lifted that restraining order against you??

I played it last night and I got the best reaction since I started playing it 3 weeks ago. I heard some chicks scream and they actually all danced to it (they use to stand around and just listen). I think a dope video would have really helped make it even more popular. That video just didn't move me.

anyone remember when Jay dropped Show Me What You Got. I got it on promo, had a private party the week it dropped and played it after rump shaker....the result...loll damn cleared the floor (i know, i know) wasn't thinking...quickly swapped it out for Give It To Me...that next weekend played it at another private party for a similar crowd they go nuts! same thing with Kanye's track Good Life...most of their hits usually take time to build

^ you can play the best track of all time and it can clear the dancefloor if people don't know it yet.

fucking sheep.

it was just funny cause i'm on the mic and i'm behind the tables rocking like "lets go!" and its like crickets...never had that happen in that manner before but your right Proto these ppl are all drones unless the radio plays it a gallizzion times

song is aiight nuttin special

U mean takes time for the radio stations and tv stations to air it like 5 million times and then it's programed in your head. Just think how many songs have you said were straight trash but after you heard them a million times you find yourself playing them. Those that have the money to promote in such away can put songs out and they will still be hits even thought they are shitz... Just saying.

I like the song casue of the otis sample as far as J and West I just expected more from those guys but you can't say on top forever..... I think most that feel the song sucks also expected more as well. Anyway I pray for rap to change and stop talking about shit I will never have and for that fact 99 percent of the world will never have, I pray for more rappers to come along that have the style of Rakim or rappers that can add substance to the game. I have grown tired of what I have rappers,,, damn enough is enough... copy paste is a hit... wtf who would have thought copy paste would be played anywere...LOL the World is coming to an end...

LOL tough weekend had to vent ,,,,,thanks I am back to normal...

Yes & no. I remember we were all serviced Beyonce - Crazy In Love in late March... had conference calls w/ Columbia about her project.. people kept saying the horns were too much... garbage...wasn't gonna work...
3 weeks later. biggest song on the planet....
I worked the Alicia Keys project... everyone said "Girlfriend" was GARBAGE... cats didn't wanna play it on the radio... during a music meeting...it got bad reviews... then they drop Fallin.....and Girlfriend becomes a smash hit.
flip side... Janet Jackson drops Doesn't Really Matter...and the song is a hit from day 1.

that adele "21" album is serious tho.

there is so much good music out there, just not on the radio or tv

maybe they make them for the Video DJs to mix...

I thought the video was dope. It was simple. I like how they chopped that Maybach up like Mad Max. Im the type of person when I see a cool video it kinda makes the song better. Even though I really "Otis" already.

Lil Wayne and Drake is coming out with a cd like jay-Z and Kanye West. Can't wait to see that thread

Is there even a more bland partership possible than those two?

^^^album gonna be called

2 fags one cup.

LOL

itll outsell the jay z kayne album....runs and hides

it will probably be better music as well or more relevant for its demographic

"Thats My Bitch" went over pretty well last weekend as a transition from old skool set to new ish.

There is something hypnotizing about that hmmph na uh uh na na na sample. I cue pointed the original Otis Redding song so I could re-create it along with the pitch control.

I couldn't help doing it over and over. Don't know what it is man.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I played the OG this weekend and had it looped, it's slightly different when not cut up, but recognizable. I just let it loop a few times, and blended next song in. I'm sure when it actually hits around here, people will know whats going on.

I think it's just the raw soul in his vocal overall. You just don't hear that in today's music and if you forgot about it for a minute it brought it back to you.

The way they sampled it made it catch in your mind because I've heard the song growing up. My father had those records which I have now. Hearing it then made you bob your head and hearing it today still does just in a different way.

Many people love the original song, and I remember when hip-hop used to bring back all those 'good 'ol' songs which made us feel good.

Honestly when I first heard the title, I expected a tribute song in a clever hip-hop way with references to hit songs and vocal clips cleverly placed into the verse, etc.

Just like when Nas made Bridging the Gap, but that is only one example.