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Numark NS6 vs Pioneer DDJ-S1

maviccf 7:03 AM - 29 January, 2012
Hey guys, how's it going?
I have a few questions for those to happen to have both controllers: Numark NS6 and Pioneer DDJ-S1.
I know in advance the advantages of the NS6 having 4 decks, but, after your experience on live gigs or private use, which controller you recommend based on:
Efficiency, Stability, User friendly, Quick access to second functions (pressing shift+),
Durability based hands on, Audio quality.
Basically, which controller got your attention and made you addicted to it.
At first sight, I like the NS6 because I own 2 V7s and they are not much different in design, but the system is too bulky and heavy (almost 150 lbs with the case) to carry around for mobile gigs plus the set up process is not efficient as I would like. I love the V7s but with new controllers on the market I decided to keep the V7s at home on a permanent set up, and migrate to a more compact system (plug and play + light weight) for mobile gigs.
Of course with the V7s you impress a lot of people and they take you more seriously, on top of doing a very decent job.
But it is time to move on, NS6 and DDJ- S1 caught my attention (now that both controllers are the same price) , and I would like some real feed back about these 2 products, specially if you happen to own both since they were launched several months back.
Thanks a lot in advanced,
Browners 11:03 AM - 29 January, 2012
Hi I have litrally just got my NS6 Friday gone. So far first impression is wow. I run mobile disco and play in the odd club here and there. So I too wanted something I can setup quick not to bulky but allow some great flexibility and creativeness.

I have got Denon 1200s. So far sound quality, control and functions compared to my Denon 10/10. I have access to so much now compared to before. I used to use a lot of keyboard shortcuts lol......

Overall I would give this 10/10. If you are into scratch I can now honestly say I can see why people love this deck. If you just beat match the same applies.

I have been using VDJ pro in the past, so moving to serato is also a first. But on both programs so far the controller just glides with all functions. There is better functions available via serato and the decks than there is with VDJ. But never the less they both work like a dream.
DJ Sidies 11:25 AM - 29 January, 2012
I did own a s1 but found the platters to be toy like!

Now own a ns6 and love it!
maviccf 8:28 PM - 29 January, 2012
valuable info, thanks guys,
keep'em coming
Paco71 8:30 PM - 29 January, 2012
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I did own a s1 but found the platters to be toy like!


So all pioneer platter are toy like, lol...

Seriously try to have a hand on both you will make your own thought. it's better to find what suit you...
For Sidies it's the NS6, for me it's the S1 etc..... it's our thought, not yours..

BTW both are great controllers.
maviccf 8:58 PM - 29 January, 2012
Quoted: "Seriously try to have a hand on both you will make your own thought. it's better to find what suit you..."


I already had some hands on, and S1 and T1 both have same platter and I agree with Sidies, platters have a plastic toy like finish. I have a lot of respect for pioneer hardware, but I also look for efficiency. (Actually I would love to get a DJM 800 and replace the sliding faders for rotative faders, but is over my budget right now, almost $1800 us)
That is the reason I am looking for feedback from long time users. I really want to own a pioneer system, but I always like to do some research before buying.
thanks Paco71
jroc453 9:07 PM - 29 January, 2012
Having been a huge pioneer fan, owning cdj's and my favorite mixer DJM 800 I bought the S1 thinking it was the way to go. I was so let down just taking it out of the box. Used it for a week and one live gig. Took it right back to guitar center and got the (first) numark product I have ever bought in 15 years... the NS6. I am so glad I made the switch. Love the build quality of it. The pioneer was a toy to me and no fun to use. I have had the NS6 since November and still love using it!!!!!
Djpr1 9:16 PM - 29 January, 2012
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Having been a huge pioneer fan, owning cdj's and my favorite mixer DJM 800 I bought the S1 thinking it was the way to go. I was so let down just taking it out of the box. Used it for a week and one live gig. Took it right back to guitar center and got the (first) numark product I have ever bought in 15 years... the NS6. I am so glad I made the switch. Love the build quality of it. The pioneer was a toy to me and no fun to use. I have had the NS6 since November and still love using it!!!!!


+1000
maviccf 9:17 PM - 29 January, 2012
Thanks a lot jroc453
jroc453 9:26 PM - 29 January, 2012
Any time!!! I hated the plastic feel of the S1. And I know others will say "Cdj's are plastic" ya I get it... But for me using a plastic mixer and using knobs that are all plastic and with sharp corners just doesn't fell pro at all. I just think pioneer cut too many corners to keep it in a price point but I feel they went way to far with the S1. I was waiting for a professional itch controller to hit the market and hoped pioneer was gonna have the one but not even close for me. Sorry to sound like I'm bashing the S1 but I just wish they would have built a metal unit with more options. But really glad I tryed the NS6!!!!!
maviccf 9:52 PM - 29 January, 2012
I totally understand your opinion, like I said I respect pioneer a lot, but aparently they dont have a lot faith on controllers yet, may be in the future Pioneer will work on those issues. But for the current present I have to choose the best option for work.
Thanks man
haze324 9:57 PM - 29 January, 2012
I'm the other way around. I tried the NS6 really didn't like the feel of it and I love the S1. I currently also have a DJM-800 and CDJ's and the workflow for me is exactly the same so I feel at home with this system. Because it's plastic and not a cheap plastic either I find it light and easy to transport. I wasn't crazy about the NS6, but I do think it's pretty cool and built like a tank ---- I just feel more at home on a pioneer product/layout. I also think it sounds great.

Krall posted a review of the NS6 vs the S1 a while back when both came out.....I think his review was pretty accurate.
Paco71 10:41 PM - 29 January, 2012
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Any time!!! I hated the plastic feel of the S1. And I know others will say "Cdj's are plastic" ya I get it... But for me using a plastic mixer and using knobs that are all plastic and with sharp corners just doesn't fell pro at all. I just think pioneer cut too many corners to keep it in a price point but I feel they went way to far with the S1. I was waiting for a professional itch controller to hit the market and hoped pioneer was gonna have the one but not even close for me. Sorry to sound like I'm bashing the S1 but I just wish they would have built a metal unit with more options. But really glad I tryed the NS6!!!!!


-1000, Every Pioneer gear are plastic made, it's their process, and they are pretty good (all cdj's are in club)... Why would they change it for their controllers ?

I don't understand people who said I don't like their plastic ontroller on one hand and says wouaw the CDJ2000 is great, it's the same plastic...

It's not about you Jroc453, but I really don't understand those statements.
Give me real things like it's 4 deck and the S1 only two, it's a stand alone mixer and not the S1 etc... for me that's real comparison point...
maviccf 11:03 PM - 29 January, 2012
Ok, putting quality build aside, which controller do you think is more efficient and user friedly? Because we all can go forever defending our personal taste on build quality, but I am trying to stablish wich product gets the more points due to design on human interface.
I really apretiate your input guys, and you are giving me a lot of info from your personal experience. Thanks
Paco71 11:22 PM - 29 January, 2012
Very goo question,

here are the main differences :

NS6 --> 4 Decks, S1 ---> 2 Decks
NS6 is also a stanalone mixer, S1 Not
NS6 has a booth, S1 not
NS6 has a very good souncard, S1 has a stellar sound card
the S1 is lighter.

Both are user friendly, both are efficient, that said it really depends of your needs.
You have to ask yourself those question :

Do i need 4 decks
Is the booth important to me.
etc...

but you have to test the NS6 (you already test the S1) to see if the workflow suit you.

Personally I prefer the S1 workflow, but it's me...
Again both are great controllers we can give you technical details, our feeling but in the end... it's you ;)
maviccf 11:58 PM - 29 January, 2012
You are right paco71, its me at the end, research does not hurt, its always good to listen to other people opinions and experiences, of course NS6 offers more, but pioneer is a premium brand, and its audio card is a big +, I was trying to collect some info based on real experiences. So far, you all have contributed a lot.
Thanks
haze324 12:10 AM - 30 January, 2012
On thing I enjoy more on the S1 is a knob for dry wet on the effects instead of a slider/fader. A knobs feels more natural and the flashing light when turned on is the same as on DJM series mixer. I've also read the pitch resolution on the pitch sliders is not that great on the NS6. Like Paco said you gotta just try them out and see what you are most comfortable with. For me coming from CDJ's and a DJM the S1 was the most natural transition. I honestly think though in the grand scheme of things you'll rock a great set on either one of them.
phatbob 12:37 AM - 30 January, 2012
Pitch resolution on the NS6 is totally awful, honestly don't know how anyone could use it unless they sync ALL the time.

5 mins of playing in with it in a store was enough to know the pitch res is an absolute deal breaker for me.
djcerla 1:13 AM - 30 January, 2012
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5 mins of playing in with it in a store was enough to know the pitch res is an absolute deal breaker for me.


strange, I have never noticed anything wrong or strange with my NS6's pitches.

@ topic

I own both and they're both awesome, I'd pick the NS6 for the ability to route the SP-6 sampler output to a separate mixer channel.
maviccf 3:50 AM - 30 January, 2012
I think I've got the info I was looking for, pioneer is an excellent controller and I really wish it was design with 4 decks, but Numark offers a lot more features and I am very familiar with the lay out.
I'm going with the NS6, I was holding for NAMM 2012 to present all new products for 2012, but apparently anything new will be announce until 3rd or 4th quarter.
Thanks a lot all of you for you opinions and recommendations, you were very helpful.
Thanks Cerla for tossing in your input, big fan of your work.
Cheers everybody
Ragman 3:52 AM - 30 January, 2012
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[...] I'd pick the NS6 for the ability to route the SP-6 sampler output to a separate mixer channel.

Good point. Have to admit that is a great feature on my NS6. Something you don't appreciate until you play out.
Paco71 7:13 AM - 30 January, 2012
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Quote:
[...] I'd pick the NS6 for the ability to route the SP-6 sampler output to a separate mixer channel.

Good point. Have to admit that is a great feature on my NS6. Something you don't appreciate until you play out.


Yes I forgot this one, i miss it on the S1 since use to have it on SSL.
But since S1 is for small gig it's not a big deal for me ;)
DJ Sidies 10:51 AM - 30 January, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
I did own a s1 but found the platters to be toy like!


So all pioneer platter are toy like, lol...

Seriously try to have a hand on both you will make your own thought. it's better to find what suit you...
For Sidies it's the NS6, for me it's the S1 etc..... it's our thought, not yours..

BTW both are great controllers.


very true. best thing is to go to ur local dj store and try them both out
check16 12:44 PM - 30 January, 2012
How is the pitch in NS6? is bad? I want to buy the numark NS6 this weekend
[O/][iii][O/] 4:53 PM - 30 January, 2012
NS6 trumps DDJ-S1 in every way imaginable.

Bonus: It's less expensive too.

The only complaint I do have about the NS6 is the goofy cueing meters (or rather lack of I should say). Shame on Numark for not having individual meters for each channel on a 4-deck machine.
[O/][iii][O/] 4:54 PM - 30 January, 2012
NS6 = tools
DDJ-S1 = toy
Paco71 5:15 PM - 30 January, 2012
DDJ-S1 = Toy, ah ah ah ah ah, let me laugh...
I Might never really work with it, to say that...
[O/][iii][O/] 5:19 PM - 30 January, 2012
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How is the pitch in NS6? is bad?


Yeah, I'm curious about that as well. I've had no probs with it and find to be as responsive and accurate as TTs and CDJs.
Paco71 7:49 PM - 30 January, 2012
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DDJ-S1 = Toy, ah ah ah ah ah, let me laugh...
I Might never really work with it, to say that...
Paco71 7:52 PM - 30 January, 2012
Quote:
DDJ-S1 = Toy, ah ah ah ah ah, let me laugh...
I Might never really work with it, to say that...


You have to read :

You might never really work with it to say that...

P.S : i really miss an edit option on this forum... Hey serato team is there any way you can add it... This Will avoid many wrong posts...
djcerla 9:37 PM - 30 January, 2012
IDEA: 30 seconds time frame to correct posts (just like in Facebook)
Ragman 5:31 AM - 31 January, 2012
Or you can just use preview before posting.
DELANO RENAISSANCE 2:46 AM - 9 February, 2012
ok ppl pioneer ddj-s1 win.lol
i try the numark ns6 and pioneer ddj-s1 2day and the pioneer feel much better,only advantage ns6 have is 4 decks,i never liked numark mixers so i dont care about the stand alone mixer.
ns6 pitch range jump from 8 to 16 which professionals djs dont like,
the pioneer pitch rage from 8 to 10 to 16,dats great.
pioneer sounds cleaner
pioneer keys are more spaced out
Ragman 3:56 AM - 9 February, 2012
I don't think it's a win or lose thing just what feels right for you. ;-)
The comparison of both is all subjective ...
[O/][iii][O/] 3:05 PM - 9 February, 2012
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I would like some real feed back about these 2 products, specially if you happen to own both since they were launched several months back.
Thanks a lot in advanced,


I trial ran both the NS6 and DDJ-S1 extensively when selecting a mid-size controller solution for Serato ITCH. For my usage, I found the contest between the two wasn't even close with the Numark easily winning out over the Pioneer.

Here's why I chose the NS6:

Separate Booth Outputs/Control
NS6: Yes
DDJ-S1: No

Decks/Channels
NS6: 4
DDJ-S1: 2

Stand Alone Mixer
NS6: Yes (4 line + 2 phono)
DDJ-S1: No

Construction Material
NS6: Anodized Aluminum
DDJ-S1: Painted Plastic

Platter Diameter
NS6: 6"
DDJ-S1: 4.5"

Chassis Width
NS6: 24"
DDJ-S1: 27"

Cost (List)
NS6: $1.3K
DDJ-S1: $1.6K

Not that cost really matters in choosing pro gear, but Pioneer is/was charging quite a bit more for less features and less quality IMO. Overall the DDJ-S1 feels like a cheap kids' toy that's missing many desired and essential features whereas the NS6 has practically everything and feels like a true professional instrument.

My only complaint to date about the NS6 (besides the goofy fake 45 adapters silkscreened on the platters which is easily remedied > serato.com ) is the poor metering section. A 4-channel machine really should have individual meters for each channel. I'm also not a fan of plastic pot shafts, but they both use them.

Hope this helps.
maviccf 7:13 PM - 9 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
I would like some real feed back about these 2 products, specially if you happen to own both since they were launched several months back.
Thanks a lot in advanced,


I trial ran both the NS6 and DDJ-S1 extensively when selecting a mid-size controller solution for Serato ITCH. For my usage, I found the contest between the two wasn't even close with the Numark easily winning out over the Pioneer.

Here's why I chose the NS6:

Separate Booth Outputs/Control
NS6: Yes
DDJ-S1: No

Decks/Channels
NS6: 4
DDJ-S1: 2

Stand Alone Mixer
NS6: Yes (4 line + 2 phono)
DDJ-S1: No

Construction Material
NS6: Anodized Aluminum
DDJ-S1: Painted Plastic

Platter Diameter
NS6: 6"
DDJ-S1: 4.5"

Chassis Width
NS6: 24"
DDJ-S1: 27"

Cost (List)
NS6: $1.3K
DDJ-S1: $1.6K

Not that cost really matters in choosing pro gear, but Pioneer is/was charging quite a bit more for less features and less quality IMO. Overall the DDJ-S1 feels like a cheap kids' toy that's missing many desired and essential features whereas the NS6 has practically everything and feels like a true professional instrument.

My only complaint to date about the NS6 (besides the goofy fake 45 adapters silkscreened on the platters which is easily remedied > serato.com ) is the poor metering section. A 4-channel machine really should have individual meters for each channel. I'm also not a fan of plastic pot shafts, but they both use them.

Hope this helps.

It does, thanks a lot
dj-in-cali 4:59 PM - 12 February, 2012
I was hoping to own my first pioneer product, but being that they were side by side at Bestbuy, I had a chance to compare them. The plastic feel of the pioneer didn't really bother me being that I own other great plastic controllers like the APC 40, and the Xponent, it was the combination of the built quality, 4 deck control witch that in itself is a big one, and many more feature that sold me on the NS6 right away.
That being said, I didn't know of the SP6 could be routed to a separate mixer channel on the NS6. Is there a link on how to do this? Any info on this would be appreciated.
Luciano DJLM 10:40 PM - 12 February, 2012
Hi DJ,
If you look on the SP6 screen all the way to the right where you turn on the hardware control for the SP6 , you should notice 4 numbers and an "M" for master if you click one the sampler should be routed the the corresponding track. Hope this helps.
Cheers,
LM
dj-in-cali 2:05 AM - 13 February, 2012
Thanks Luciano,
I will try it out.
Djfrost65 3:26 AM - 13 February, 2012
I have used both controllers and presently own the s1. I like the feel and and design of the s1 over the ns6. It was tough for me to decide which controller to buy when i was shopping for one. The cost of the pioneer was more at the time. It basically came down to a personal preference. I like the set up of the s1 vs the ns6. I like where everything is located on the s1 vs the ns6. As far as plastic feel, it doesn't matter to me. I want something thats durable, and dependable. The S1 has been that from day one. I have owned mines since august. I use it every weekend and have never had a problem with sound quality, or issues with the device at all. I have to say that the ns6 is a nice controller. I dj with one on thursday nights. It took me a minute to get used to the difference in feel when scratching, but other than that its a good controller. With anything I believe its personal preference. I saw try them both out, and make your choice.
Luciano DJLM 4:20 AM - 13 February, 2012
@DjFrost,
I agree 100% - for me it was the NS6. It's def personal preference. Check out both, or as many as you can. Everyone has their reasons for choosing their setup of choice. There really is no blanket right setup just what you are comfortable using and what suits your needs.
Peace,
LM
Julynessi 7:12 AM - 13 February, 2012
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NS6 = tools

DDJ-S1 = toy


I don't agree with this...
When you thinking about "Pioneer DJ Products" --> It's Expensive
When you thinking about "Numark DJ Products" --> It's Cheap
[O/][iii][O/] 2:26 PM - 13 February, 2012
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When you thinking about "Pioneer DJ Products" --> It's Expensive


No I don't. When I think about Pioneer DJ products I think generally well made, but also overpriced. In other words a poor value because I recognize many areas where Pioneer takes cost cutting shortcuts, but those savings aren't reflected in the final price to the consumer.

Quote:
When you thinking about "Numark DJ Products" --> It's Cheap


Yes I do, well, rather, I "did" would be more accurate. Generally speaking, yes, I still think "cheap"" when thinking Numark, but in recent years with certain product introductions such as the V7, NS7 and NS6, it appears Numark has finally gotten its act together. Prior to these models I would've never even considered Numark much less own one. These products alone have completely changed my thinking of Numark and have showed me what they can produce when they want to. They still make plenty of garbage, but then again, so does Pioneer.
DJ Caliente NYC 2:01 AM - 14 February, 2012
The NS6 is a way better deck than the pioneer DDJ decks. You will feel the difference. The Jogs are better, it has a better fader curve and it can be adjusted. You have XLR, Booth, and another main out. It has 4 channels also. The pitch bend touch the side of the jog is very smooth. The numark deck is very solid and light in weight. The pioneer jogs feels rough and the fader curve is not all that. The deck feels cheap. People say its a matter of refference but, The NS6 is a bigger seller. Pioneer is not pioneer when it comes to controllers. from 1299 now to 999.some Guitar center stores dont even have them in stock because they dont sell much. You see the same ads on craigslist for a DDJ and it takes time to sell because the NS6 is the more preffered deck.
DJ Caliente NYC 2:40 AM - 14 February, 2012
If someone is going to tell me that pioneer DDJ is better based on the DJM 800 being good or the cdjs are nice.. That means you never tried the NS6.
pdidy 7:37 AM - 14 February, 2012
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If someone is going to tell me that pioneer DDJ is better based on the DJM 800 being good or the cdjs are nice.. That means you never tried the NS6.

not true, i have tried both and prefer the platter feel an scratch of the ddj(im a scratch dj). I must say i was surprised because when i demoed them together for an hour, i expected to prefer the ns6 but i was wrong. the ns6 obviously wins in features but i personally prefer the feel of the ddj. Theres no right, wrong or better......just personal preference.
DJ Caliente NYC 7:46 AM - 14 February, 2012
If you are a scratch DJ, then you would have noticed how the Ticks of the NS6's platter is higher. In other words, its alot tigher than the DDJ. 3600 ticks to be exact.
dj-in-cali 8:03 AM - 14 February, 2012
I to never really taught I would buy a Numark product, that is, a product of today's Numark. Back in the 80s with the original numark company, Rane and Numark were the industry standard for DJ mixers, and I personally owned 3 Numark mixers from that time. The first mixer I ever bought was a 2 channel mixer with a Mic out, and talk over feature. The other 2 were 4 channel mixers, one had a built in EQ, and the other was a rotary type mixer. All 3 mixers were quality built, and never let me down. It was after the Original Numark company sold that they lost there once respected reputation, that's right they had a good reputation and weren't considered a "cheap alternative." I feel with the release of there latest controllers, they have attracted many DJs, and will eventually be considered a quality company once again.

I never buy anything now-a-days without checking the reviews first, most of the feedback I got from the NS6 was positive. I've owned this controller since December, and although it's missing a few things I've would of liked, I'm very happy with it, Like I said before, I did try out both controllers, and I'm not going to bash the Pioneer unit, but for me, I just feel the NS6 is a much better value for the same money.
pdidy 8:06 AM - 14 February, 2012
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If you are a scratch DJ, then you would have noticed how the Ticks of the NS6's platter is higher. In other words, its alot tigher than the DDJ. 3600 ticks to be exact.

i have no idea with one has the highest ticks or better specs on paper. I would never consider relying on that when it comes to scratching. My hands and ears are my only judge and nothing else.
just curious, how many ticks on the ddj ?
maviccf 8:42 AM - 14 February, 2012
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The first mixer I ever bought was a 2 channel mixer with a Mic out, and talk over feature. The other 2 were 4 channel mixers, one had a built in EQ, and the other was a rotary type mixer. All 3 mixers were quality built, and never let me down.


I totally agree, I still have mine, the numrk 1000r, rotary mixer. The only reason I dont use it for mobil gigs is because is too bulky and is u-rack mixer(19 inches).
Is not only a quality build mixer, is also loaded with features than today mixers lack of. I also keep it for history's sake, some djs dont beleive on rotary mixers, but who ever was lucky enough to work with an Urei Rotary mixer knows what I am talking about.
dj-in-cali 6:47 PM - 14 February, 2012
Yeah, I regret selling my Numark rotary mixer, it was truly awesome. One of the mixers I own now is the Denon DN 500, and I was able to replace two of the channel sliders for the rotary type, and they work great. The only thing I could not fine is a rotary fader for it, but it still rocks. In any case, at least 2 of us so far can valuch for the rep Numark had in one time.
Panotaker 6:53 PM - 14 February, 2012
I don't know why you guys keep arguing about which is better, the NS6, or the DDJ-S1. Everybody knows the NS7 is better than both of them;-)
Ragman 8:55 PM - 14 February, 2012
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Yeah, I regret selling my Numark rotary mixer, it was truly awesome. One of the mixers I own now is the Denon DN 500, and I was able to replace two of the channel sliders for the rotary type, and they work great. The only thing I could not fine is a rotary fader for it, but it still rocks. In any case, at least 2 of us so far can valuch for the rep Numark had in one time.

Make that 3.
My first 19" mixer was a Numark DM-1600. I had it for 15 years and never replaced a fader.
maviccf 10:33 PM - 15 February, 2012
It is understandable that Numark was and still is tossing out cheap toys to the market, but I have to admit that the premium products are of great value and they provide more tools than other brands.
Pioneer's quality is the best if we talk about mixers and CDJs, I really wish Numark start adding premium audio cards at the level of pioneer to really hammer the competition, I think that is one of the weakest points of numark. They innovate and launch great ideas but still they need to close the gap between commercial products and premium products.
that is why I ask for feed back between these 2 products (ddj s1 and ns6) I wanted to know the opinion from different users that can tell the difference based on experience.
Thanks everybody for your feedback. it is been really helpfull
P Ezy 6:18 PM - 20 February, 2012
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Any time!!! I hated the plastic feel of the S1. And I know others will say "Cdj's are plastic" ya I get it... But for me using a plastic mixer and using knobs that are all plastic and with sharp corners just doesn't fell pro at all. I just think pioneer cut too many corners to keep it in a price point but I feel they went way to far with the S1. I was waiting for a professional itch controller to hit the market and hoped pioneer was gonna have the one but not even close for me. Sorry to sound like I'm bashing the S1 but I just wish they would have built a metal unit with more options. But really glad I tryed the NS6!!!!!



All i can say is you are trippn the s1 is by far the best thing out there. the layout is super clean and its all black everything, pioneer is top notch and so is the contoller. and y does everybody keep saying plastic the whole unit is solid almost like metal except the platters but thats how pioneer makes thier units so stop crying about that...s1 all the way or hang yourself
Luciano DJLM 9:24 PM - 20 February, 2012
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[quote)All i can say is you are trippn the s1 is by far the best thing out there. the layout is super clean and its all black everything, pioneer is top notch and so is the contoller. and y does everybody keep saying plastic the whole unit is solid almost like metal except the platters but thats how pioneer makes thier units so stop crying about that...s1 all the way or hang yourself

I get the whole "I want to defend what I like and/or use" but the reality of it is that each person will decide what is best for them and for what reason. For me the NS6 trumps the S1 in almost every way with the exception that the S1 has a bit of a punchier soundcard. I run the sound through a MOTU Ultralite MK3 so for me that wasn't an issue as the MOTU has better sound than either of the controllers. The NS6 platters, for me, were way more responsive and def felt better, so did all the knobs, the booth out, the assignable SP6...etc. The build quality on the NS6 is second to none for a 4 deck Itch controller. There is no way to argue that if you have tried both. I was not comfortable with the seemingly low end build quality of the S1 for the price tag. Again it really does not matter what you use as long as you can fill the dancefloor and keep the party bumpin'. Both the NS6 and The S1 are just tools of the trade. The skill of the DJ is really all that matters.
Peace,
LM
DJ Baby Raj 5:48 AM - 21 February, 2012
Metal or plastic I own both and I still like the DDJ over the NS6.
Kmxorbit 8:31 AM - 21 February, 2012
I own the Ns6 and I've got only 2 remarks:
1) I broke a hotcue knob already. It's still working but on 1 side it feels like it is permanently pressed down... And for good understanding, I didn't abuse this button at all. The buttons on the V7 are much better button bashing proof imho.
2) The VU meter section is poor (definitely when using is as stand alone mixer)
But these are basically the only negative remarks I can make.

I'm not going to start about the positive notes of this controller because I don't think internet can handle such long posts...
This machine offers great value for money and is probably the most versatile controller/mixer for Itch on the market.
Djpr1 1:29 PM - 21 February, 2012
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This machine offers great value for money and is probably the most versatile controller/mixer for Itch on the market.


+1000
[O/][iii][O/] 5:55 PM - 21 February, 2012
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...and y does everybody keep saying plastic the whole unit is solid almost like metal except the platters...


Why? Because aside from the S1's bottom, everything else on the outside IS plastic. The entire control surface is painted plastic and most certainly NOT "solid almost like metal". Touch a S1 and then a NS6. It's like touching a Timex and then a Rolex. HUGE day and night difference. I realize some can't or won't recognize the difference (or do but don't care), but many do and value industrial type brushed anodized aluminum over painted plastic.
DJ Caliente NYC 4:53 AM - 22 February, 2012
The S1 jogs are rougher. The hand movement is alittle longer compared to the NS6. The NS6 has shorter hand movements. The shorter the better. When it comes to scratching, you will see the difference when your hand is moving the jog. The Numark has better fader curves and it can be adjusted. On top of the Adjustments, Numark is also sending out free fader plates to make the fader curve even tighter. The NS6 also has 3 Outputs for more flexiblility. XLR main, RCA booth and RCA out.

For those that didnt know. The reason for the NS decks is because of serato. Serato went to Numark to talk about a having a deck built for its itch software. The deck was the NS7. They could have gone to pioneer or Denon but, they went to Numark. The NS7 and the NS6 are the best selling all in one midi decks with high quality components and premium sound cards.
DJ Oasys 5:22 AM - 22 February, 2012
NS6 work best with my needs. I think it all comes down to personal preference. Go NS6!!!.
haze324 2:38 PM - 22 February, 2012
the whole plastic thing, while I understand why folks would continue to bring it up, it's no longer as much of a point when every CDJ is plastic, X1's, Maschine, etc. PLENTY of "pro-grade" gear is plastic. So to say "this" is better because it's metal does not hold as much weight as it once did.

Also, I'd be curious to know as to WHY Serato went to Numark. I personally don't it's because Numark is the best DJ equipment on the market. I'm thinking it was more a business decsion and Numark was able to produce a product at the correct price point because they are typically a budget brand and Itch was not targeted as a replacement to "pro-gear" --- 1200's, CDJ 2000's, etc.

Are there any numbers to support that NS7/6 are the best selling all in one midi-decks? Wonder what the numbers are against the competitors, primarily the S4.
[O/][iii][O/] 2:56 PM - 22 February, 2012
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the whole plastic thing, while I understand why folks would continue to bring it up, it's no longer as much of a point when every CDJ is plastic, X1's, Maschine, etc.


It's a huge point for many users with those pieces of gear too. In fact, I know people (self included) who will not purchase those units specifically because of the material shortcuts.

Unfortunately many people are also becoming conditioned to manufacturers taking these shortcuts and accepting them (at crazy prices too lol) rather than holding firm and demanding that this stuff meet a certain quality level before agreeing to purchase. It's the difference between disposable toys vs. instruments/tools with longevity.
[O/][iii][O/] 2:57 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Also, I'd be curious to know as to WHY Serato went to Numark.


I'd be curious to know why Serato didn't go to Rane.
SG SOUNDS 7:20 PM - 22 February, 2012
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[quote)All i can say is you are trippn the s1 is by far the best thing out there. the layout is super clean and its all black everything, pioneer is top notch and so is the contoller. and y does everybody keep saying plastic the whole unit is solid almost like metal except the platters but thats how pioneer makes thier units so stop crying about that...s1 all the way or hang yourself

I get the whole "I want to defend what I like and/or use" but the reality of it is that each person will decide what is best for them and for what reason. For me the NS6 trumps the S1 in almost every way with the exception that the S1 has a bit of a punchier soundcard. I run the sound through a MOTU Ultralite MK3 so for me that wasn't an issue as the MOTU has better sound than either of the controllers. The NS6 platters, for me, were way more responsive and def felt better, so did all the knobs, the booth out, the assignable SP6...etc. The build quality on the NS6 is second to none for a 4 deck Itch controller. There is no way to argue that if you have tried both. I was not comfortable with the seemingly low end build quality of the S1 for the price tag. Again it really does not matter what you use as long as you can fill the dancefloor and keep the party bumpin'. Both the NS6 and The S1 are just tools of the trade. The skill of the DJ is really all that matters.
Peace,
LM


Hey just curious does the motu makes the ns6 sound more punchier? How do you hook it up to the ns6? If it makes the ns6 sound output much better im interested in getting one but how do they work together?
Underground 10:25 PM - 22 February, 2012
I had the NS7, loved it but was too heavy to carry to mobile gigs.

Got the S1, the first few days I thought WTF! But a few days after that I got used to it and love it.

No regrets.
Luciano DJLM 12:27 AM - 23 February, 2012
(quote]Hey just curious does the motu makes the ns6 sound more punchier? How do you hook it up to the ns6? If it makes the ns6 sound output much better im interested in getting one but how do they work together?

Hey Riddim,
Yea the MOTU Ultralite MK3 is a fantastic piece of equipment and makes anything you run through it sound fantastic. Connection wise I run from the balanced out to the MOTU, The Cuemix software lets me virtually patch and mix, so routing is not an issue. I run the mic also through the MOTU as it has onboard effects so it does not stress the CPU. The UltraliteMK3 can also be used as a standalone device without a PC/MAC. For DJ's this isn't a huge benefit but it can come in handy. On a personal note I use the UltraLite as the soundcard in my home studio, it is of excellent quality. I have no real complaints about it.
Peace,
LM
Hann 1:19 AM - 23 February, 2012
Basically I think that some may want to back Pioneer because of it's name and has been seen as top quality in clubs when the decision of quality had to be made when it came to CDJ's, however we are now talking about a DJ controller, which is quite different, and as hard as it may seem for some, Numark has taken the lead this time. If you have talent I'm sure you can make anything work depending on how creative you are, obviously Numark has broken the mould with many people who were fixated with Pioneer, which is a plus because thats what DJ's want equipment that does the job, not just a hyped name you need to feel comfortable too. Reading the reviews I'd prefer if everyone actually spoke about the use of fx's, loops and how well they can be used and the mixing because thats what it boils down to. When a good DJ can give the crowd the WOW factor using the Numark, the title has been claimed and I'm sure alot of DJ's will do this based on this edition of NS6. Open minded thinking : )
Dave The One 8:26 AM - 23 February, 2012
Agreed; Numark has taken the lead and is the mold to follow for all dj controllers. I was never a fan of the CDJ's (big and clunky) I preferred Denon and if you touched a v7 you'd never look back; I too demoed the ddjs1 and the ns6 and there is absolutely no contest; the NS6 is more fluid; tighter and more intitive.

Numark is cheaper on the streets; the Pioneer DDJ is priced closer to the 2 deck NS7 which anyone would be insane to try to compare. NS7 build, quality, rotating platters can't be touched.

NS6/NS7FX hands down!

Pioneer is done......
Paco71 10:24 AM - 23 February, 2012
Actually the NS6 and the DDJ are about the same price...
SG SOUNDS 1:50 PM - 23 February, 2012
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(quote]Hey just curious does the motu makes the ns6 sound more punchier? How do you hook it up to the ns6? If it makes the ns6 sound output much better im interested in getting one but how do they work together?

Hey Riddim,
Yea the MOTU Ultralite MK3 is a fantastic piece of equipment and makes anything you run through it sound fantastic. Connection wise I run from the balanced out to the MOTU, The Cuemix software lets me virtually patch and mix, so routing is not an issue. I run the mic also through the MOTU as it has onboard effects so it does not stress the CPU. The UltraliteMK3 can also be used as a standalone device without a PC/MAC. For DJ's this isn't a huge benefit but it can come in handy. On a personal note I use the UltraLite as the soundcard in my home studio, it is of excellent quality. I have no real complaints about it.
Peace,
LM


Ok so you run the balance out from the ns6 to the motu then out from the motu to the amps and speakers? Can you tell me in more detail please and how do you hook up itch from my mac pro does that run through the motu also?
haze324 2:11 PM - 23 February, 2012
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NS7 build, quality, rotating platters can't be touched.

NS6/NS7FX hands down!

Pioneer is done......


Dude what a fan boy response. I seriously doubt Pioneer is anywhere near being done. Let's be honest here, they have cornered the club market.

As far as the NS7 is concerned, have you ever owened one? Because I have. I thought it was great, but it wasn't perfect. The rubberized buttons were a big mistake on them as they would wear out and lose responsiveness. This is why/how the NS6 ended up with plastic buttons to remedy that. So I wouldn't say that NS7 "can't be touched." I'd say it's a good piece of gear, just like the entire Itch line up.

We could go argue all day what's more intuitive -- "for me" looking down and seeing the same layout on a controller that I see on a club install (CDJ + DJM) makes the DDJ-S1 more intuitive, but that's just me. Either way, like the guy above said we should try to concentrate on giving each other advice on how to use these better rather running our mouths about how great our purchase was. Really how cares which one the "winner" is. The real competion in my eyes is getting Itch more SSL features and providing Traktor with competition in the controller market.

p.s. there's nothing intuitive about a slider to control effects.
dj-freestyle 4:51 PM - 23 February, 2012
Ive been djing a long time and numark had fallen off the track a long time ago compared to denon or pioneer but with the ns6 they have bounced back nicely. my boss has update are systems to ns6 after i spent 3 months using both the ns6 and s1 on 100 of gigs and i can say without a doubt i think the ns6 is a way better built product. just one guys opinion. Im not a huge pioneer fan and to me the ns6 feels like a well built denon product and for mobile i think it is amazing but use both and you will have to decide for yourself.
Dave The One 11:31 PM - 23 February, 2012
The platters on the NS6 make all the difference to me. NS7 as well. I don't understand how people can appreciate the pioneer cdj 1000, 2000, DDJS1 platters after spinning, scratching with the Numark ns6/ns7 platters.
Luciano DJLM 11:35 PM - 23 February, 2012
[quote)Ok so you run the balance out from the ns6 to the motu then out from the motu to the amps and speakers? Can you tell me in more detail please and how do you hook up itch from my mac pro does that run through the motu also?
Hey Riddim,
There are a few different ways to do what you are asking. Your best bet would be to go to the MOTU website and download the PDF. Depending on how and what you are using there are multiple ways to use the Ultralite. Understand that the Ultralite is just an audio interface with some added bells and whistles. I prefer MOTU over some of the others but there are others I am sure you could use.
Peace,
LM
Solidsnake 3:58 AM - 24 February, 2012
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The platters on the NS6 make all the difference to me. NS7 as well. I don't understand how people can appreciate the pioneer cdj 1000, 2000, DDJS1 platters after spinning, scratching with the Numark ns6/ns7 platters.


Now the whole spinning platter debate is one thing, but comparing the 1000 and 2000 platters to the NS6 platters? Not even a close comparison, Pioneer wins that easily. the S1 is more akin to the CDJ-400 platters which also... don't compare to the bigger jog wheels of the other Pioneer CDJ's.

So while you may prefer the NS6 platters to the S1, but is a pretty bad comparison name dropping the 1000 and 2000 (800, 850, 900's too) which have entire differently jog wheels.

But then again this is all subjective, but as a Vinyl/DVS user for the longest time a few of the places I spin at have CDJ-900's and 1000's for the house systems, so after pretty much swearing off Pioneer products, finally picked up the 850-k's and must say am impressed with the products specifically with the jog wheel and screen inside showing exactly where I am at on the track.
Dave The One 5:07 AM - 24 February, 2012
I'll name drop the 1000 and 2000 again and the 900's and every deck that pioneer makes. It's my personal taste; they suck! You're better off going with traditional turntables.

All of the pioneer decks have a god awful scraping stationary platter; not fluid at all.

Keep it movin snake! If you don't like my post/threads about how horrible the cdj's have been and still are, then keep it movin. All subjective.

Scrape away!
Solidsnake 5:53 AM - 24 February, 2012
You missed the point of the post. Like I said, no need to name drop, it's a terrible comparison. We are comparing the NS6 to DDJ-S1. Not the NS6 to the bigger CDJ platters, completely different comparison and way off topic to this thread. Thread title is NS6 vs. DDJ-S1, not NS6 vs. Pioneer CDJs... Keep it movin'! If you don't like to stay on topic, then keep it movin'!
Dave The One 6:10 AM - 24 February, 2012
Ahh; I see:

NS6 and DDJ-S1

NS6 platters = Smooth fluid

DDJS1 platters - Suck badly; they are comparable to the CDJ 400 (suck) in fact all the CDJ platters (that's what we are comparing here; the ns6 controller platters with the ddjs1 platters) suck badly. :)

4 Deck control with the NS6; DDJS1 with the sucky platters that are just as sucky as pioneers CDJ line only handle two decks

NS6 build quality is much better than the plastic sucky scrapy cheap feeling platters on a very nice looking plastic frame build.

Go to your local music shop; demo both of them; you might just like the DDJS1 :)

or you might just say "these platters really suck"? Then go try the CDJ's....lol
Paco71 7:37 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Ahh; I see:

NS6 and DDJ-S1

NS6 platters = Smooth fluid

DDJS1 platters - Suck badly; they are comparable to the CDJ 400 (suck) in fact all the CDJ platters (that's what we are comparing here; the ns6 controller platters with the ddjs1 platters) suck badly. :)

4 Deck control with the NS6; DDJS1 with the sucky platters that are just as sucky as pioneers CDJ line only handle two decks

NS6 build quality is much better than the plastic sucky scrapy cheap feeling platters on a very nice looking plastic frame build.

Go to your local music shop; demo both of them; you might just like the DDJS1 :)

or you might just say "these platters really suck"? Then go try the CDJ's....lol


Mmmmm what a good demonstration, lool...
Fortunately it's a thought, YOUR thougt lol..

Not mine...
As I always say it's all subjective...
haze324 2:18 PM - 24 February, 2012
When someone posts that the CDJ 2000's "suck", but really these CDJ's are the standard player world wide in million dollar industry clubs and for top earning artists ---- everything that is said after that loses tons of credibility.
Paco71 2:51 PM - 24 February, 2012
+10
[O/][iii][O/] 2:54 PM - 24 February, 2012
CDJ2Ks don't suck, but they sure do leave a whole lot to be desired, especially considering what they cost.


Actually, I will say that the displays on them do suck when using them outdoors. Horrible contrast that makes visibility damn near impossible in many daylight situations.
[O/][iii][O/] 3:00 PM - 24 February, 2012
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dj-freestyle 4:17 PM - 24 February, 2012
Pioneer platters seem like big plastic pieces of crap to me. I could never get used to them. i like the ns6 and denon 3700 platters much better. Maybe to many years of 1200's i guess
pdidy 4:42 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Pioneer platters seem like big plastic pieces of crap to me. I could never get used to them. i like the ns6 and denon 3700 platters much better. Maybe to many years of 1200's i guess

Ive had 1200s since 1985 and even I have adapted to using all the Pioneer platters.
haze324 4:43 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Wish I had a nickel for every time I've seen this:

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Dave The One 5:15 PM - 24 February, 2012
dj freestyle, [O/][iii][O/]
LOL.

Haze; you can say all credibility could be lost; no one is debating that the pioneers were the industry standard, I can and have to use cdj's time and time again but not by choice. It was a great pleasure to see and use the NS7 in a club that was just overhauled; never used them before in my life and was able to instantly blend, loop and scratch which felt amazing on the NS7. I was at Guitar Center the following day and almost bought the NS7FX for 899 (used)

It was too big and had some wear on it; I spent almost 4 hours at Guitar Center playing with the NS7, NS6 and the pioneer ddjs1 and walked out with the ns6.

Call me crazy but i'll never touch a technics 1200 or Pioneer CDJ or DDJS1 if I don't have to. I had three technics 1200's; I sold two and gave the 3rd one away. Numark definitely came through with the NS6, NS7; and oh yes the V7 too. I like the denon dns spinning platter decks too but i'm over Cd's and vinyl (got rid of 12 crates; gave them away to another deejay after I recorded them all to wav/aif.

Real talk
haze324 5:35 PM - 24 February, 2012
Dave, I'm glad you like your gear man. I've had an NS7, CDJ's and now stick it out with a TT 1200's set up at home and recently got a DDJ-S1 in the event I want to do a mobile gig...at my two residencies I use CDJ's. I wouldn't say any of them "suck". I think they all have their pros and cons.

I think in the end reading how much some folks really like their gear is evidence they are all quality products. Some just better suited for others.
Dave The One 12:26 AM - 25 February, 2012
Haze; spoken like a true gent. It's really about what you are comfortable with and your skills on whatever piece you put your hands on.
DJSTACK 1:02 AM - 25 February, 2012
This discussion has been GREAT!! I am in the same boat as Maviccf. I am leaning toward the NS6 more due to the build of it. I have played with the DDJ-S1 twice in the last two days and like many others I have found it to feel like a toy. My only issue is I haven't been able to get my hands on an NS6!!!! I am currently in JAPAN (near tokyo) and I have been to several music stores and have not found one!! It's almost like they don't carry it here I have had several stores tell me they can order one. But I would like to actually test it out first. Anyone know of any Dj stores in japan? Yokosuka or Toyko area? Also one store worker told me the pioneer DDJ-S1 has a better motor in it then the NS6 anyone know if this is true?
pdidy 1:55 AM - 25 February, 2012
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Also one store worker told me the pioneer DDJ-S1 has a better motor in it then the NS6 anyone know if this is true?

WOW.....there is no motor in the DDJ-S1 or the NS6. So he was either lyin to you to make the sale or he is very misinformed about the product to say the least. You also have to do your own research prior to buying so sales people wont get over on you......Here is a good start...:)
DJSTACK 1:59 AM - 25 February, 2012
LOL that is Hilarious because I didn't think either had a motor. Nor could I find any specifications on the "motor" on either unit. I know the NS7 is motorized SMH. Thanks for your help though!
Kmxorbit 6:22 PM - 25 February, 2012
ns7 and v7 are currently the only "motorized platter" units for itch.
dj lashes 6:50 PM - 25 February, 2012
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dj lashes 6:52 PM - 25 February, 2012
whats your address gonna send u a nickel
DJSTACK 3:11 AM - 27 February, 2012
So I Purchased the pioneer Ddj S-1....
Tenor 10:35 PM - 27 February, 2012
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So I Purchased the pioneer Ddj S-1....

Any reason or preference?
DJ 3RDDEGREE 6:30 PM - 15 March, 2012
Congratulations on your new DDJ-S1! I know you're gonna rock it. Hint - The laptop you won goes underneath. LOL! When you are ready to bring it out for a sound check I'll be there BS or anywhere. Let me know.
DJ 3RDDEGREE 6:42 PM - 15 March, 2012
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This discussion has been GREAT!! I am in the same boat as Maviccf. I am leaning toward the NS6 more due to the build of it. I have played with the DDJ-S1 twice in the last two days and like many others I have found it to feel like a toy. My only issue is I haven't been able to get my hands on an NS6!!!! I am currently in JAPAN (near tokyo) and I have been to several music stores and have not found one!! It's almost like they don't carry it here I have had several stores tell me they can order one. But I would like to actually test it out first. Anyone know of any Dj stores in japan? Yokosuka or Toyko area? Also one store worker told me the pioneer DDJ-S1 has a better motor in it then the NS6 anyone know if this is true?


By the way I have the NS6. I'll bring it to the gig for you to demo.