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Novation Dicer...........Opinion(s) Needed?

DJ Eighty 8 3:06 PM - 3 November, 2012
I've been doing as much research as possible and I'm familiar with the Dicers so I guess my main question would be......are they really worth having? Almost every thread I see is them not working, failing after some usage and just plain old not being worth it at all. Toggling on the 62 can become cumbersome sometimes and I don't want to go back to having a big ass MIDI controller again. Just gonna need something to trigger cue points, but I don't wanna waste my cash on buying them if their gonna fail in the end.
stephan mercury 3:11 PM - 3 November, 2012
yes they are, they are only 100 & i have had mine a while now and they haven't failed me yet
DJ Eighty 8 3:28 PM - 3 November, 2012
I know there not that expensive but I sold my Rane Empath/Traktor Kontrol X1 and got the 62 just so I wouldn't need the "extra" stuff. What about your laptop crashing, Dicers not responding/working sometimes...........?
stephan mercury 3:30 PM - 3 November, 2012
hasn't crashed yet, they always respond and i don't do mobile gigs so i leave my mixer at home
DJDBAG 4:00 PM - 3 November, 2012
i never had any issues with them...but you have a 62 with a million cue buttons why bother with dicers
Jiggy Flipp L.O.T 6:59 PM - 3 November, 2012
Best $100 you'll ever spend on dj gear. Only thing faulty is the 1/8 to 1/8 plug which is easily replaceable no more than $3. Havent failed me yet had mine since release. It will also free up the cues buttons on your 62.
phatbob 7:05 PM - 3 November, 2012
Doesn't matter how many devices are hanging out of the USB port of my laptop, there will ALWAYS be a pair of Dicers when I use Scratch Live.

Ergonomically, having controls right there on the deck is simply unbeatable.
DJ Eighty 8 9:37 PM - 3 November, 2012
Yeah toggling between buttons got very old real quick on my 62, it's nice in theory just not in real world situations all the time. I may take the plunge........?
nik39 10:39 PM - 3 November, 2012
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Doesn't matter how many devices are hanging out of the USB port of my laptop, there will ALWAYS be a pair of Dicers when I use Scratch Live.

Ergonomically, having controls right there on the deck is simply unbeatable.

+1

Make sure you get the DiceTools also - for free!
DJ JT Stevens 10:52 PM - 3 November, 2012
Dicers are one of the best, most affordable, most portable, and most useful MIDI controllers you can get. I've had no problems with mine. Definitely worth checking out.
dj_soo 11:40 PM - 3 November, 2012
i love my dicers.
Hassle 1:59 PM - 4 November, 2012
I've had them for almost 2 years. The most functional piece of DJ gear ever and never any issues.
Jairen 3:08 PM - 4 November, 2012
After all this time, I finally jumped the gun and ordered on.
DJ Matty Stiles 4:21 PM - 4 November, 2012
come on bro... they're only 99 bucks.

Ive been gigging with them for 2 years without a single issue - theyve worked flawlessly
nik39 6:54 PM - 4 November, 2012
Are y'all using DiceTools to enhance the functions of you Dicers?
housekeys 7:39 PM - 4 November, 2012
Just thought I'd echo the love for dicers, you truly don't realize how great and useful they are until you use them. In fact, I'm more shocked at the number of dj's I see NOT using them, dicers are essential. As @DJ Matty Stiles said, for $99 they are well worth the investment.
Frank Spinatra 7:44 PM - 4 November, 2012
Love the dicers! Just don't unplug them when Serato is live and you shouldn't have a problem. I remember reading about people having issues when hot unplugging.

Also, remember you must connect the left dicer to your laptop (or usb hub) otherwise the controls will be inverted for your decks.

I doubt anybody would say they're a poor investment.
djjoefresh 9:17 PM - 4 November, 2012
I love them.
djdevvo 9:47 PM - 4 November, 2012
couldnt be without them
DeezNotes 10:11 PM - 4 November, 2012
After holding out for a while, I finally picked some up. I haven't had them malfunction on me yet, but I would like to get around to testing what happens when things are unplugged while ScratchLIVE is running. For example, will SL crash if the 1/8" or USB cable is unplugged?

As of right now, I have nothing but positive things to say about them. And I can definitely see their usefulness at places that don't have mixers like the 62, 57 or 68.

I haven't installed DiceTools yet. Just haven't had time.
djdevvo 10:16 PM - 4 November, 2012
i can unplug mine live and plug them back in, unplug them and put them back in again and it all runs smooth, no problems at all
DPR250R 11:20 PM - 4 November, 2012
Anyone have them mounted on CDJ800's ?

Read that they don't fit.
djdevvo 11:36 PM - 4 November, 2012
They fit on all 800s 1000s 900s and 2000s fine, ive never tried them on the denons but there looks like theres quite a few buttons on them where you would mount the dicers
Dj Nyce 1:37 AM - 5 November, 2012
i live the dicers. highly recommended for use with scratch live. you'll be surprised how you lived without them.

now for the negative: usb cable is extremely short. so short that sometimes you cannot place your laptop on the right of your setup. in booths with laptops on the right the usb cable may not reach and you need an extension.

novation should have made the left right selection user selectable. they also should have made the usb cable .25 to .50 meters longer.

i also think i usb y-cable makes would've made more sense vs the existing cabling.
DPR250R 1:52 AM - 5 November, 2012
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They fit on all 800s 1000s 900s and 2000s fine, ive never tried them on the denons but there looks like theres quite a few buttons on them where you would mount the dicers



Have you seen them mounted on 800's in the bottom right corner?

Next to the pitch fader?

Thanks for your help.

This thread is why I am asking....

serato.com
DJ Eighty 8 10:46 AM - 5 November, 2012
I may take the plunge because switching between buttons on the 62 is not always ideal. Has anyone upgraded the cables that come with their Dicers? I'm sure better or even premium cables can be had.......?
WarpNote 12:18 PM - 5 November, 2012
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Are y'all using DiceTools to enhance the functions of you Dicers?

At least I am :D
djdevvo 6:30 PM - 5 November, 2012
Yeah i have used them mounted bottom right on an 800 many times, the usb cable i slightly short but theres no need to upgrade it, its fine how it is, its plenty long enough to have your laptop left side or in the middle of your setup
djsmuve415 6:53 PM - 5 November, 2012
Dicers are cool... I even still think about pickin' up a pair... but I've never been a fan of any cable that has run across (or under) all the gear to bridge the two. specially if ur trying to use them week in & week out in a club situation & its not your rig. plus - I use my 1200's non-battle style which would defeat, I'm sure, some of their usefulness. my Akai LPD8 was still the best piece of kit I've bought to date.
DJ GOOK 7:35 PM - 5 November, 2012
wheres the link to dice tools
nik39 9:54 PM - 5 November, 2012
DiceTools.. please read here:

serato.com <- click
MelonHead 12:55 AM - 6 November, 2012
Dice Tools worked out very well for me. I did have to install Java at first but no biggie. Just one question.. any way i can change the colors on the cue points? Thanks nik39!
nik39 12:58 AM - 6 November, 2012
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any way i can change the colors on the cue points

Do you mean the colors of the buttons on the Dicer? Or do you mean you want the colors to match the cue point colors?
dj_soo 1:18 AM - 6 November, 2012
I don't realize how much I take my dicers for granted until the rare time i need to do a show without them...

Funny cause I scoffed at them when thy first came out - mainly for the limited buttons and lack of knobs. Now I pair them with an LPD8 for my fx..
DPR250R 4:01 AM - 6 November, 2012
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Yeah i have used them mounted bottom right on an 800 many times, the usb cable i slightly short but theres no need to upgrade it, its fine how it is, its plenty long enough to have your laptop left side or in the middle of your setup



Cool.... thanks.
reggae delgado 6:00 AM - 6 November, 2012
They are especially nice when playing in clubs where there is "equipment" installed. No matter what kind of weird mixer they have you can at least have some aspect of your home/studio set up to depend on.
SiRocket 8:00 PM - 11 November, 2012
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They are especially nice when playing in clubs where there is "equipment" installed. No matter what kind of weird mixer they have you can at least have some aspect of your home/studio set up to depend on.


This!!
Jairen 8:07 PM - 11 November, 2012
Well, since I ordered the dicers, not sure how much I'm gonna need them since I just ordered a sixty two.
nik39 8:13 PM - 11 November, 2012
I find it mich easier to use the dicers than using buttons on a mixer.
MelonHead 8:55 PM - 11 November, 2012
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I find it mich easier to use the dicers than using buttons on a mixer.


+1
WarpNote 11:02 PM - 11 November, 2012
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Dice Tools worked out very well for me. I did have to install Java at first but no biggie. Just one question.. any way i can change the colors on the cue points? Thanks nik39!

I don't think youll be able to change the colors on the "native" midi pages.

I guess a neat trick would be if some one came up with a midi controller that "mirrored" the actual cue colors set in SSL. Not that I really need that, but would be somewhat cool.
phatbob 11:09 PM - 11 November, 2012
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I guess a neat trick would be if some one came up with a midi controller that "mirrored" the actual cue colors set in SSL. Not that I really need that, but would be somewhat cool.


That would indeed be cool, but it would require Serato's midi functionality to be on a different planet to what it is today! ;-)
Nicky Blunt 11:57 PM - 11 November, 2012
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couldnt be without them


feel like im dj'ing with one arm without them now! Just so conveniant.
WarpNote 12:01 AM - 12 November, 2012
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I guess a neat trick would be if some one came up with a midi controller that "mirrored" the actual cue colors set in SSL. Not that I really need that, but would be somewhat cool.


That would indeed be cool, but it would require Serato's midi functionality to be on a different planet to what it is today! ;-)

I guess, and the controller would need RGB leds...
MelonHead 12:35 AM - 12 November, 2012
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Dice Tools worked out very well for me. I did have to install Java at first but no biggie. Just one question.. any way i can change the colors on the cue points? Thanks nik39!

I don't think youll be able to change the colors on the "native" midi pages.

I guess a neat trick would be if some one came up with a midi controller that "mirrored" the actual cue colors set in SSL. Not that I really need that, but would be somewhat cool.


that would be nice. i ask because I've changed all my tt led's to green & i use cue points more often than anything on the Dicers so its sort'a fixated on that, plus i have a small light (green) under my lappy that points directly on top of my 57SL so i can see the B buttons. nonetheless, luv the dicers!
MelonHead 8:07 PM - 1 March, 2013
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now for the negative: usb cable is extremely short. so short that sometimes you cannot place your laptop on the right of your setup.


DJ Nyce.. do you have your TT's and mixer still in flight cases when you use the dicers? (assuming you're using individual flight cases for your tables and mixer) I currently use a full coffin but i was getting ready to buy individual flight cases and was worried that the dicer cables may not be long enough to where I can keep my tables and mixer inside each individual flight cases. Not really worried about the laptop part as I have my stand set in the middle.

Anyone else who uses individual cases for their 1200's and 10" mixer with dicers can jump on this as well.. thanks guys!
Dj Nyce 8:25 PM - 1 March, 2013
i have individual cases and the cable will not go to the right side of your setup. i just put the laptop on the left side.

there is a longer cable that you can buy tho
www.amazon.com
MelonHead 8:38 PM - 1 March, 2013
i have my laptop stand in the middle so not really concerned with that part.. i just want to make sure the dicer mini jack cables are long enough to run between the 2 tt's and mixer where i don't have to pull them out of the cases. thanks for the help!
SiRocket 9:46 PM - 1 March, 2013
thanks for that link nyce!
Laz219 11:21 PM - 1 March, 2013
USB extension cables are always available from any computer shop.
Dj Demon 11:32 PM - 1 March, 2013
Dicers are awesome. easier to get to your cues, loops and shred your songs seamlessly. Unless you have the rane 62, you need to get these.
dj_soo 11:41 PM - 1 March, 2013
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now for the negative: usb cable is extremely short. so short that sometimes you cannot place your laptop on the right of your setup.


DJ Nyce.. do you have your TT's and mixer still in flight cases when you use the dicers? (assuming you're using individual flight cases for your tables and mixer) I currently use a full coffin but i was getting ready to buy individual flight cases and was worried that the dicer cables may not be long enough to where I can keep my tables and mixer inside each individual flight cases. Not really worried about the laptop part as I have my stand set in the middle.

Anyone else who uses individual cases for their 1200's and 10" mixer with dicers can jump on this as well.. thanks guys!


When I have to put my laptop on the right side, I use a USB extension cable and have had no problems with it - even when using an unpowered USB hub...
MelonHead 1:23 AM - 2 March, 2013
just to be clear fellas, i'm not talking about the usb link cable that goes from dicer to lappy, i'm talking about the regular mini jack stereo cable that runs between both dicers. I checked almost every youtube vid and it seems that everyone that uses dicers either have their tt's and mixer out of their cases or setup in a full coffin. i will be using individual flight cases which means that the cable will have to go over each lip on each tt case and also under the mixer case. it isn't really a big deal as i'm sure you can buy a much longer mini jack cable but i'd like to know from those who use dicers with individual flight cases how they run theirs.
the_black_one 1:29 AM - 2 March, 2013
we are getting super picky
Laz219 1:47 AM - 2 March, 2013
If I had to set it up like that, what i'd do is buy:

2x male to male cables
1x female to female cable

I'd have the F-F cable permanently set across the mixer case, and the M-M coming from each dicer to the inside edge of the flight case. The once they are put together all the cables just have to be pushed together. Save messing around with running cables each time.

No idea how people actually do it, off the top of my head that's what I'd go with though.
eugguy 2:09 AM - 2 March, 2013
Be a man and buy them. They are very good for you.
Dj Knockout101 7:59 PM - 2 March, 2013
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Dicers are awesome. easier to get to your cues, loops and shred your songs seamlessly. Unless you have the rane 62, you need to get these.


I still use them with my Sixty-Two. I can't let them go. Never such thing of too much control.
DJ GaFFle 4:05 PM - 3 March, 2013
Do the Dicer buttons wear out? I sometimes scratch my head when I see guys who have them integrated 'into' their 1200's.
phatbob 4:09 PM - 3 March, 2013
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Do the Dicer buttons wear out? I sometimes scratch my head when I see guys who have them integrated 'into' their 1200's.


Been hammering mine for over 2 years, still going strong. Nothing lasts forever, but they're doing pretty well.
DJ Matty Stiles 4:20 PM - 3 March, 2013
i have the 62 and dicers.

i always keep dicers in my bag for use at the club because unfortunately the club doesn't have a 62.

PS I also keep a mini screwdriver in my case if i need to unscrew the 45 adapter from the bottom if the venue only has CDJs
phatbob 5:01 PM - 3 March, 2013
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PS I also keep a mini screwdriver in my case if i need to unscrew the 45 adapter from the bottom if the venue only has CDJs


+1
Dj Nyce 8:03 PM - 3 March, 2013
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i have the 62 and dicers.

i always keep dicers in my bag for use at the club because unfortunately the club doesn't have a 62.

PS I also keep a mini screwdriver in my case if i need to unscrew the 45 adapter from the bottom if the venue only has CDJs


i use a dime. since i switched from headshells to ortofons i had to use the dimes and nickels for something right?
Frank Spinatra 12:27 AM - 5 March, 2013
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i use a dime. since i switched from headshells to ortofons i had to use the dimes and nickels for something right?


+1, also highly recommend DiceTools. Super great ap to add some visual cues to your User page 1 and 2 mappings. Also allowed the user pages to operate in "latch" mode rather than shift key functionality.
DJ GaFFle 12:50 AM - 5 March, 2013
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i use a dime. since i switched from headshells to ortofons i had to use the dimes and nickels for something right?


+1, also highly recommend DiceTools. Super great ap to add some visual cues to your User page 1 and 2 mappings. Also allowed the user pages to operate in "latch" mode rather than shift key functionality.

Wow... what a DJ name, LoL.
reggae delgado 7:16 AM - 5 March, 2013
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just to be clear fellas, i'm not talking about the usb link cable that goes from dicer to lappy, i'm talking about the regular mini jack stereo cable that runs between both dicers. I checked almost every youtube vid and it seems that everyone that uses dicers either have their tt's and mixer out of their cases or setup in a full coffin. i will be using individual flight cases which means that the cable will have to go over each lip on each tt case and also under the mixer case. it isn't really a big deal as i'm sure you can buy a much longer mini jack cable but i'd like to know from those who use dicers with individual flight cases how they run theirs.


I have individual flight cases and that cable is plenty long. At home, I run it from the left TT, down & between the top & bottom halves of the flight cases for the left TT & the mixer (a 68), then to the other dicer. It's the perfect length for that. In a single coffin or with a 56/57 & no flight case there's plenty extra cable.
MelonHead 10:52 AM - 5 March, 2013
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just to be clear fellas, i'm not talking about the usb link cable that goes from dicer to lappy, i'm talking about the regular mini jack stereo cable that runs between both dicers. I checked almost every youtube vid and it seems that everyone that uses dicers either have their tt's and mixer out of their cases or setup in a full coffin. i will be using individual flight cases which means that the cable will have to go over each lip on each tt case and also under the mixer case. it isn't really a big deal as i'm sure you can buy a much longer mini jack cable but i'd like to know from those who use dicers with individual flight cases how they run theirs.


I have individual flight cases and that cable is plenty long. At home, I run it from the left TT, down & between the top & bottom halves of the flight cases for the left TT & the mixer (a 68), then to the other dicer. It's the perfect length for that. In a single coffin or with a 56/57 & no flight case there's plenty extra cable.


nice.. thats all I needed to know. preciate'it DJ Delgado