Yes, the 56 does this, it has a soft cut-in.
If you don't like it you can mod the fader to a super sharp cut-in by adjusting the sensors or by adding washers.
The soft cut-in will still be there but you will hardly notice that this way.
Plus, you have to get used to it.

Do I have to use the exactly the same ones or doesn't it matter?

Thanks. Wished I'd known before I bought it. Is this on both the 56 and 56S? Because again I don't remember this issue on my old 57. I guess it's back to my DJM-707. I had this same problem with my old Tascam XS-8 and from experience, adding washers and the credit card mod made it worse because eliminating the off space make the soft space seem that much bigger. At least in my opinion.

As long as the diameter is the same, otherwise they don't sit steady on the fader rails.
With older Rane fader units you could bend the hall sensors in every position you wanted, the newer units have a protection for this, so you can only bend inwards.

@uNo
Yes, applies also for the original 56.
When I mod a fader I leave a deadspot of 1mm-1.5mm.
Big difference with factory setting since most 56's I modded were 2mm-3mm.
If you still don't like it install a Innofader in your 56S and tune it to your likings.
The 56s sounds so much better than the 707.

Do you know the diameter by accident? *smile*

@gfella I bought it because of the great sound, but it has to go back. Can't justify the additional cost for an Innofader when I have a 707 with a fader that I already love. @DJ Moneypulation Just take one of the washers off and take it to your local hardware store to match it up. I did that with my old P&G fader from my Xone 02.

Thanks! I'll do that :)

@uNo

Just give the mixer a couple of days so you can adjust to it, you can always sell it later.
Btw I think I was wrong about the Innofader, I don't think it would solve the soft cut-in.

@DJ Moneypulation
I think it was 4mm.
Be aware when you take the fader out that you unplug en replug the connecter in the same way, otherwise you will fry the fader!!!

Thanks gfella! I'll definitely take care.

Also the cut-in on the right is longer than on the left.

That's an easy fix.
Can you measure the deadspot on both sides before the sound comes in?

Left side is less than a mm. Right side is nearly 3mm.

That's way off, seems like somebody messed with it.
Try to adjust it and give the mixer a chance.
Do you know how to adjust?

I didn't try adjusting the sensors yet but I switched out all three faders and it's the same on all of them.

Adjust them and give the faders a lubing, I removed the springs from my 56 when I owned one, the less resistance the better for me.
New Rane mixers don't come with a spring anymore.

I cleaned all three faders and they're buttery smooth, so no need to lube them. I actually like a little tension on my fader so that it doesn't bounce back open when I throw it to one side. I have a little on my 707 and had it on the Innofader in my old Xone 02. I eyeballed all the sensors and they're all perfectly vertical, which leads me to believe it's circuitry issue. I'm gonna call support and see what they say. I also emailed Elliot to see if the Innofader will get rid of the soft cut-in.

Hey uNo,

I'm not sure what gfella is referring to about the "soft cut-in".
All the faders on the TTM56, 57, 62, 64, 68, and 61 are the same (aside from some changes done to the end blocks and carrier depending on your version of mixer... neither of which will get in the way of getting the fast cut in time you're after).

If you want, you can send the unit in and we can fix this for you.. OR you can do it yourself in less than 5 minutes.

The new end blocks have a stopper on them so you can't move the sensor back once it reaches that stopper. The fix is to take some wire clippers and cut that stopper off so you can manually move the sensor outward a bit more, achieving the exact cut in time you want.
I wish we would have never added those stoppers but we did because if the sensors go too far back the fader will bleed.
Regardless, its an extremely simple fix and you won't have to go back to your 707!

@Zach S
I'm referring about the two step cut-in the 56 has.
With the other mixers when you move the crossfader the sound is at full volume, the 56 starts with low volume and then full volume when you move the crossfader.
That is what the TS don't like.

@Zach S What I was referring to is the fact that the fader cut-in is not a complete off/on like the 707. I found the Rane fader to go from off to low volume then fade up to full volume, even when set to fast. The crossfader on my old Tascam XS-8 had that same response, although travel on the 56S is much less. Sadly though I returned the used 56S to GC. I may pick up a new 56S later or possible a 61. Stile debating.

The magnetic fader is definitely on/off at the fast cut as long as the sensor is in the right position.
This is true for all mixers with the mag fader in it. Its the exact same fader.

www.djworx.com


Djworxs explains it well.
My 56 had a different cut-in as my 62 has.

I can't confirm if my 57 fader was like this, but because I bought the 56S used, I tested it extensively to make sure that everything worked properly. Also I didn't read the Skartchworx article until just now, and the fader works exactly as Gizmo describes it.

Reading article now.

Ok.. what Gizmo said in that article is simply wrong guys.
As I said before... the cut in time is completely dependent on the position of the hall sensors.. in ALL Rane mixer with the magnetic fader in them.
If the sensors are bent too far inward you will get a gap. If they are bent too far outward the fader will bleed. There is a small amount of discrepancy between the various sensors so if the hall sensors appear to be sitting straight upright, and you are still dealing with the gap, then simply bend the hall sensor outward slightly to get the on/off cut in time you're after.

We'd be happy to do this for you if you'd like to send it in:)

100% agree with you Zach.
But this won't eliminate the two step cut-in from the 56.
Topic starter didn't like the way this mixer opens the sound, each to his own.

That is what I'm saying though... there is no two step cut-in. The cut in is identical across all Rane mixers with mag faders. If the sensor is in the right spot its an on/off state.

Ok, my 56 straight out of the box had it.
And to be honest I liked it because it sounded smoother.
Other 56's which I modded had it.
On those models it was bleed, or a gap as you describe but still with a step in volume, when you bend the sensors.
Always thought this was normal with the 56.

So I just tried with the 62 which came with a
perfect 1mm cut-in from the factory, but I can not reproduce the 2 step volume cut-in when I bend the sensor, sound is on or off.
So in what position do the sensors have to be bend to produce the 2 step cut-in?
I do not have my 56 anymore so I can't look.

@

Is it therefore possible to have a cut-in less than 1mm in my 61? I've had ecler mixer before. That's why I'am used to a very sharp cut-in time.

If you want more of a gap or 2 step cut in than you would move the hall sensor inward towards the middle of the fader.

@ Money... the answer is in your own post.
You can get the exact cut in time you're after by simply adjusting the hall sensors.
If you want a sharper cut bend the sensors slightly outward.

Thanks a lot for your help!

Same for me
I have a TTM 56 and a 62 and from day one, I had the soft cut in thing on my 56 (witch I don't have on my 62.
Was not a problem for me tho and all I do is scratching like a crazy mofo!

Everyone that I have asked about this since I started this thread have confirmed the soft cut-in on the 56 and 56S straight out of the box. Everyone with a 57, 61, 62, or 68 confirm the hard cut in (myself included). This leads me to believe that it may be apparent with analogue signal processing of the 56es and the digital processing eliminates it. Regardless, they are coming like that brand new.

I would have probably gotten used to it, but it was a shock having previously owned a 57 and coming from the DJM-707.

I don't know if it is for most of the analog mixer, but that make me remember that my Vestax pmc-07 pro witch I had before getting my TTM 56 in the early 2000 had also a soft cut in

Ok.. time to get the deal straight from the engineer who designed the mag fader. If he tells me there is a soft cut in I will eat my words:) I'll report back!

What did the engineer say?

I pinged him again. Hold tight.

Hey Zach, any news?

No.. pinged our engineer again.

sorry to resurrect an old thread but, has this been concluded yet?

i just got a new 56s and am a tiny bit disappointed that the cut in time isn't shorter. i even pushed the magnetic sensors outward, towards that little shield these new faders now have (I'm used to the original faders from the first 56). this reduced the cut in time dramatically, but still not what I really want. i may have to take Zach's suggestion and get wire cutters and clip those sensor shields off, so I can push those sensors further outward.

i don't think i ever had any problem with a soft cut in time. as long as i keep the contour on fast, its always a direct on/off.

Hey songsongsong

I asked twice, one year later still no answer.
Maybe in 2016 😜

Hey Guys, i also have the problem with the soft cut-in. There are actually two cut in points. A first one at low noise and a second one (the real one i assume). I sent my mixer to the german technical support, but they merely bent the magnets a little. That does not fix the problem. I suspect that there is a general problem in the 56s, but nobody from Rane seems to understand that problem or they just deny that this deficiency in the 56s exists. I also had an 57SL before and i sometimes use also a 62 and both the cut in points were and are razor-like sharp. I believe that it is a software problem or whatever and that it is not due to the fader because i also replaced it with a new one and the problem remained.
I think we just have to accept it...

I meant bending the sensor, not magnets. ;)

Ingo, I don't think that the 56 has a problem, but that the soft cut in is designed this way.
Love it or hate it.
If you really don't like the soft cut in you can contact Elliot at Innofader and see what he has to say.
Not sure if an Innofader fixes the soft cut in a 56, but he can answer that.

gfella, maybe you are right although i heard different and that 56s sometimes behaves "normal". I think
there is no issue of loving that ;) What makes me sceptical is that nobody of the RANE officials admits that the two-step cut-in exists. I will try it with Innofader. Thx

No further Support from Rane. No replys to my emails or further help. Sold the 56s. Goodbye RANE

Hey Ingo..

I've spoke to our lead engineer and the man who designed all of our mixers and he told me he would look into this as soon as he could.
He's been busy working on the new TTM57mk11 and the MP2015.

I'll report back about this as soon as I can. Just know I have been pushing to get this looked into and will continue to.

this is true in 56 ttm the sound of the fader has two stages already in ttm 57 sl is perfect there is no such problem

someone from the factory understands our issues?

for me there is nothing better than Rane magnetic faders on the planet, but I also like to know this issue

Just got a Rane TTM56s, same crossfader issue :)) Help?

DEXteric- How is your TTM56s fader now? Have you fixed this issue?

I can confirm installing an innofader does not fix the problem. Tried it on 57mkII with a soft cut-in curve issue... same results.

I've been using my 56s with innofader pro 2 and it works perfectly with the sharpest cut in time imaginable. i'm not sure what 05spoof's experiences are, but mine sound like the complete opposite. I'm very happy with the innofader in the 56s.

i haven't taken the wire clippers to the old rane faders yet to break off the plastic guard and try pushing the senors outward more, but I may try it on the old crossfader now that the innofader replaced it!

No. I tried to get used to it. Thinking of doing a hack like this: Watchwww.youtube.com

I did this to my 56S and it made all the difference