I know I would upgrade to the SX2. Just sell the SX and get the SX2 IMO.

Ns7 would probably be the best for hip hop just for the moving platters. Not a light device tho.

I have to agree. It is not light but moving platters are really nice.

Yeah Im really leaning towards that NS7 but im not sure cause it's Numark most people i talked to say Pioneer is king....not to mention i have a gator case for my SX that i really love.

Personally I think the platters on the pioneer controllers are shit.

The reason I suggested the SX2 is because you have the SX so it would be very familiar to work with. I have the NS7II and it is solid. I have no issues with it besides the weight. I would buy the NS7II without any hesitation.

I'm also getting the SX2 just because it's more portable.

And dj_soo has a point, Pioneer platters are way different as the NS7II. But lots of people still use them. I know I would always go for moving platters especially if you want the vinyl feel like what the NS7II will give you.

Owning both the SX & NS7II I would have to agree with shadow23.
Not quite THAT simple but also NOT that far off. They account for 60% of ALL DJ gear sold for a reason. The platters (on the SZ) are different from the NS7II but they are far from shit. Furthermore I prefer the SZ platters over the NS7II. The spinning platters of the NS7II are fun indeed but if I wan that TT feel I go with TT's. No reason to emulate IMO. The DVS feature is also another HUGE feature that the NS7II lacks while it is available with the SX2.

As mentioned I do have a LOT of fun with the NS7II but I barely use it at home and I have never used it live.

The NV seems (to me) to be in a different level altogether. While the SX, SZ, SX2 and even the NS7II seem to be aimed at performers I feel as though the NV is aimed at a different audience altogether.

I have an entire system based on the color cue points so the SX2 upgrade (even though I own the SX & SZ) makes sense but if you don't personally use the color coded cue points or plan on using DVS I would say stick with your original SX.

Listen to deejdave as he knows his stuff and have plenty of experience under his belt.

Not because deejdave agrees with me but because he does know what he's talking about.

Somewhere in these forums someone said the NS7II will have DVS support in the near future. Why anyone would use turntables with any of the above mentioned controllers is beyond me cause that's a huge ass setup and that's waaaaaaay more then I wanna carry around personally.......

I think i might just keep my SX for now because i dont see the major benefit to upgrade to the SX2 and although i love the NS7 ii i dont see the moving platters as a moyor upgrade (Right now) maybe for the new year i will change my mind...as far as the NV it seems to me that it looks too much like a kids controller it's too small and doesnt have that premium feel the others do.

Right choice to keep your SX. But if you have the itch again for new stuffs just add Reloop Neon to your SX and you be done. Have a good one.

It was Serato saying they were looking into it but then after looking into it they came across the same issue as the SX. It will not be happening due to hardware limitations. BOTH can be found here serato.com
10000% agree. Just mentioning it IS possible is all. Not even a selling point for me but SOME people do dig it.
Right ON!! As I said unless you have a huge need for the color coded pads there is not much benefit in the upgrade. As a matter of fact it is hardly a upgrade at all from the SX aside from the color coded pads & DVS. Dedicated FLIP buttons................ C'mon LOL!!

Hi deejdave,

kindly excuse me. I just woke up and would like to clarify if the SX2 is DVS ready, not that I'm gonna start using TT's again. My brain is just not functioning this morning, I need coffee.

Yes sir. SX2 is DVS upgrade ready. Have to pay the $99 Serato DVS upgrade fee is all. The SZ differs as it supports DVS natively without the upgrade needed.

As always thank you very much.

The better mic channel aswel. I.E they fixed that shit from the sx. Ow and the CUE counters on the jog wheel.

I have a Vestax VCI-380 And looking at the Pioneer DDJ-SX2 OR going for something totally different and the Numark NS72...

But it's the weight that puts me off the NS72....

Aside from the spinning platters there is not much else appeal IMO. They are solid for sure but bring nothing special to the table ....................... for me at least.


BTW before the assumption is made I do NOT think I am biased towards Pioneer. Ask anyone who knows me I will (and DO) buy pretty much anything but after buying all this stuff I do have my favorites. This is not biased IMO though is it simply comparing & contrasting and making my own conclusions.

So what controller would you consider to have better static platers than pioneer ?

I have to say they are different but wouldn't call them crap. I have had 3 controllers. 2 were Pioneer and 1 was a Reloop. And they are pretty much the same to me.

Just like deejdave I have my favourites too. I love my NS7II and after having the DDJ-SR, I can confidently say I will love the SX2. Was tempted to get the SZ again but opted for the SX2 for the portability.

I am also interested to know this. I got up close and personal with the Numark NV last night................... you wanna talk crap. Size alone awards this title. Function is directly affected negatively because of this. They were plenty sensitive (at least in my little 7 minute demo LOL) but practically useless as they disappear under 2 fingers........... IMO The drawback of the SX platters were the backspin....................... for some reason I am not really missing it. Maybe 10 years ago I would be LOL.

Vestax platters are better imo.

He'll, cdj platters are better. I would assume the Sz platters are better based on having a tension adjust, but I've never tried that....

Last I heard two out of those three are all made by Pioneer :)

Ya i think an SX2 is what i will go for

For me, it's those "conductive" EFX pots on the NS7II. I LOVE that 'ish! You set the value to what you want it, and then just "touch" it to engage! No precise rotating required. I would love it if ALL mixers/controllers had this feature!

IMO NS7ii is on point and is not given the props it deserves. Bottom line is weight and whether the spinning platter are worth it for you. I dont understand the quote above about how the NS7 "brings nothing special"... Lets be real, all these controllers do the same thing lol... Like the exact same things.

Few differences
NS7: Spinning Platters, Touch Cap Knobs, Weight
SX2: Color Cue Pads, Dual Deck Control, Light Weight

IMO the NV isn't a fair comparison. I haven't played with the unit but I like it and think its only a backup/small gig controller (which is why I like it). I really wish someone would make a VCI-380 upgrade with 4 channels with all the relevant upgrades...

I think Dave ment it brings nothing special over an Pioneer ddj-sx2

funny thing is that the more i think about it the more i want those moving platters I'm really not liking the SX i had a few issues with the buttons not working i've had to turn it off and on again in order to get it to work again.

imo, the NV is definitely a main controller, not just a backup to be honest. It's like the S4 in a sense, it's small and looks diminutive, but is fully capable on its own given the software.

The jog size and lack of external outputs is what kills it in the comparison though, as well as the fact that there are no LEDs that tell you which deck you're in (need to use the Display, you get used to it eventually, still scary at times).

The compensation is that since the jogs are smaller, they have less mass, and can move much more quickly (and feel more responsive a sense). And of course, you have screens in front of you so you don't need to use your laptop screen as often.

Lack of external outputs ?? it has a Phono booth output and a separate master-out with XLR and Phono what more do you want ?

yeah the jog wheels are small compared with Pioneers pie tin's but I just don't get people wanting to scratch with controllers anyway, if your gonna scratch even a little bit buy turntables and an SL2 ! as for the guy saying the nv was "like a kids controller", some pro users need a smaller unit to fit in a small booth or for ease of transport. that doesn't make them kids toys, that's before you raise fact it does everything the SX2 does in serato incl multi coloured cue buttons and dual deck control all for £300 Less.
as for it only being a back up or small job unit, come on Really? If it can get the job done in a small gig why cant it do the same job anywhere ? and tbh your much better suited to having a back up laptop over a controller as it's that what is more likely to fail.

*inputs, my bad. I remember telling myself to correct it, but just never did lol. It has phono and XLR out, which is usually all you need. Only that one lone Aux input though.

He obviously meant INputs in which case it lacks BIG time. More inputs is definitely what one could want.
Numark NV images.search.yahoo.com ONE!!

DDJ-SX2 images.search.yahoo.com FOUR!!

BTW The NV has line level RCA booth output (phono level is what turntables use). The 1/4" option that the SX2 has could also be what someone wants.


The SX2 has multi colored cue points but has FOUR deck control.
This is not AT ALL how I translated the "backup". Not as in take WITH you as you would a backup laptop. This is in case you needed a smaller style controller where a full fledged controller is not needed.

I am not trying to hate on the NV. It is OK on its own. I am simply responding to your post on a itme by item basis. Stacked up directly against an SX2, SZ or NS7II it lacks big time performance-wise BUT this is probably why it is cheaper by half in 2/3 of these controllers. Personally it had my attention until the SX2 & Kontrol S8 were announced. Furthermore I REALLY got turned away after getting my hands on one. If it is good enough for your purposes then by all means.

We knew what you meant. The context clues kind of gave it away as what exactly are "external OUTputs" again?

I have to respectfully disagree with you on the NV. I finally had the chance to demo it today at GC and was very impressed with the build quality and how responsive the platters were. It's a very nicely built controller and the waveform on the screens were just as good as what you see on a laptop. To me it's more of an improved NS6. Still can't believe how well I scratched on the platters for their size.

@Ragman would you buy the NV? Just curios.

Ragman. Did you see the gold Serato CV packs for GC's anniversary party? $150 Im thinking ima buy a set. Not sure yet though. This month (Nov) is for the Kontrol S8 & Reloop Neon but I have not made my lineup for December yet.

Last month I was only able to squeeze the SMX/AFX as I bought new speakers, moving head lights< and TONS of tools for work. I gotta squeeze the SX2 in there somewhere though. Last Sunday $1,100 on a snowblower & chainsaw. Monday $500 on a baby car seat & carriage, This has been an ongoing thing as of lately. Really making my spending habits seem unnecessary & uncalled for. Still gonna do it I just may feel bad while doing out is all LMAO My rule is if I can put $1,000 a week into my savings and all my investments are up all is fair. I am an animal when it comes to work and THESE are the things that make which in turn makes more work so this little circle fails without any of these elements,


HAHA I actually use this speech on the Wifey and it actually works. Even though it it true I never expected her or anyone to believe it as I know how it sounds.

I agree the SX2 does have more inputs and you can pay to upgrade to use dvs, sadly the nv can't so yeah the SX2 is better in that respect. in the uk red & white connectors are genericaly called phono wires and a quick google reveals that Phono and RCA cables are generally classed as the same thing, RCA is mainly an American term used for the connection so as not to cause confusion between Phone cable and Phono cable. it was originally called an RCA Phono connector. Line level output is different and usually marked "line out" which on the NV it isnt.



Sorry I meant dual control as in each side of the controller can do 2 decks, So yeah the NV offers exactly the same four deck control as the sx2.



My bad, misinterpreted it, But my point was why would you need a large controller AND a smaller one when the small one is just as full fledged. you might as well buy 1 or the other and use it for everything. i do admit in a music store side by side with an SX2 its not the one that draws you in but its by no means a cheap looking device.

Yep. Thinking about selling my Pioneer Aero to my cousin and then purchasing the NV. I was that impressed.

I finally had a chance to lay hands on the SV to. Very impressed with that controller also. But man it's big as hell. And I'm a old school t/t guy. LOL!

Sure did Dave. GC had them under lock and key in a case. I would love to own a set but that's way out of my price range. I just ordered a set of clear CVs off of ebay a couple of days ago..

Actually line level defines the RCA output level as it is either line level RCA or phono level RCA.
NOT AT ALL my man!! The NV is a great device. It has the innovation all over an SX2 as let's be honest it is a second interpretation of the SX. The NV is an original and a great rendition at that. I am STRICTLY stacking it against the controllers mentioned above. Put the NV against MOST other controllers and it is a GREAT solution. As a disclaimer I own the SX, SZ, NS7II & the SX2 should be here any day BUT trust this is not the reason I say this. I is in fact the performance that they provide that earned them a home in my workflow is all.


NO coincidence at all IF I were to purchase ONE more SDJ controller this very moment it would 200% be the NV. I just got the AMX but this was for a different reason altogether.

IF I mad the impression that the NV was junk I apologize. Again I was just trying to refer to the SX2/NS7II/SZ/NV and nothing more.
LOL with the size part of his comment I would assume he meant SZ. The SV is actually a callabo between Pioneer & Numark. It is the SZ platters etc with the numark screens LOL. Ya never know.................

Sorry about that. Here I am thinking I've gone mad and missed a SV model because usually I keep up to date with what's new in the DJ controller market. Thanks for clearing that up deejdave.

Dam, sorry Shadow I meant the SZ.

LMAO on that one. Can you imagine Pio collaborating with Numark. Hell would freeze over first.

Yeah that's a big NEVER!!

Greetings everyone.

I don't mean to bump an old thread but I find myself at crossroads between the SX2 and the NV right now and I was really enjoying the direction the discussion was heading.

I find the NV extremely intriguing for 2 main reasons:
1) The features and "fun" factor;
2) The size and portability (esp for home use).

The screen is a plus, but not a deal breaker for me.

Now i know there is a considerable price difference (about $200 USD) which has me wandering what I may be missing out on from the SX2 (plus lack of the dual screens on the NV would've reduced its price even more thereby creating a much larger actual price difference).

Every time i watch a demo or tutorial video on either of these controllers I get a tingly feeling inside :>

I'm a learning DJ and my main desire in a controller is on enjoying the mixing process while creating captivating and moving sets.

What do you guys think?

I really appreciate your experienced feedback!

To be honest it's whatever you like the most. Have you played around with all the controllers? I had the DDJ SX2 and it's pretty good.

What's your budget? Are serious about DJing? I started DJing with turntables and analogue mixer. No SYNC or laptops back then. To this day I still love it! Although I have moved to controllers I still love doing it.

If you're planning on just seeing how you go with DJing I suggest to spend as little as possible but at the same time get a good controller that can do what you want.

No use going cheap and regretting not getting a better controller in a few months time.

It's really comes down to personal preference. I like bigger jog wheels and that's why I overlooked the NV. So up to you. Have a good play at a DJ store and see what really tickles your fancy.

Hi Shadow, thanks for your feedback.

Where I'm from there are none available to demo.

The only DJ equipment I have actual experience with are the Mixtrack Pro and Pioneer CDJ1000.

I'm actually a songwriter and producer, but I'm feeling the desire to explore more into DJing at a hobbyist level right now while learning all the necessary techniques to achieve my above mentioned goal.

Private parties and promo mixes are what I'm aiming at, but I have some friends who are real DJs and would like to be able to take my prospected controller to an event should I be given the opportunity by them.

My actual max budget was $350 (while aiming at a Gemini G4V or Slate 4), but I'm willing to spend the $700 - $900 for these controllers specifically after seeing their capabilities.

My main concern is what can one do that the other can't.

Just to add to that last concern, I know that the Pioneer will clearly have the advantage with the actual make-up of the product itself, mainly that you get an analogue mixer for future expansion in addition to the benefits of having extra inputs for events and DVS capability.

However, to help clarify my concerns, at this stage I'm mainly concerned with the differences between the two's features that are directly related to the actual mixing process.

Okay I have no experience with the NV so I can't help you there. All I know is that the DDJ SX2 is DVS ready and have taken it to a few gigs.

So my choice is the DDJ SX2. I know it has no screens but I use a MBP so not worried about screens.

The screens are just not all that great. Cool? Yes. Useful? Barely. The NV is a beginner controller with a Pro wrapping. By all means not a bad toy but more gimmick than anything IMO. I am not by any means attempting to insult nor am I saying it is trash. I am simply saying if performance and capabilities are your actual concern there simply is no comparison.

Lack of inputs alone are enough to prove the NV just is not what I am looking for but it does not end there. I feel rather than listing the NV's shortcoming's (which gives the impression I am hating on it which I have no intent on doing) it is better to simply look at the SX/SX2's capabilities the NV lacks. THAT should be enough to help you make a decision. As shadow23 said the best bet is to get your hands on them but as you are lacking this luxury this is second best approach IMO.

Thanks for the advice guys, very much appreciated.

I agree, I wish i can demo it myself but I have to resort to tutorial and feature videos, that of which I have been looking at all evening and can't help but appreciate the capabilities of both controllers. I suppose I just need some more time to visualize.