Thank god I got this shit for only $15 discount. It is not even worth $5 dollars. Tested this as well with just audio recording in SDJ...same result👏🏻 #pieceofcrap

While reg keylock sucks it does a damn good job at keeping audio precise during slow record movement.

Dude. For real now. Is this all you do all day? Sit on the Serato forums and spew non-stop word vomit? C'mon man. I've kept quiet on a lot on your posts. Bit my tongue so many times because I seriously want to say something, but I don't want to start shit with you either. But your time (and ALL of ours) would be way better used spending it over in the Support section all day long instead of here. You have a problem/bug/hang/crash/issue/etc ..... go over there. Start your tickets up and wait. You just keep with these posts that will get you no where fast. Faster over there, even if they take their time.

Anyone that can really help you, will most likely point you over there anyway. I feel you keep making these posts just to get a rise out of people or hope that other jocks with join your bashing bandwagon. You keep saying SSL this and that over and over. Stick with SSL then. No one made you by the S9. No one is making upgrade/downgrade any OS. So if discontinued SSL is your cup of tea, then stick with it. And if that's the case, go back to your old mixer/SL box. If you have problems, go to the correct areas and seek solutions. These posts of yours just seem to never stop. And they don't really get you anywhere either. You might get a few people that may jump with you but you keep getting WAY more people that look at you like "WTF? Another Tecniq bashing SDJ post? Here we go again 🙄"

Make your all-day on the Serato forums more constructive and helpful by accessing the correct outlets. They may not get you where you want, as fast you would like. But it's going to be a lot more beneficial than posts like these (and all your comments on other threads). SDJ may not be perfect like you want, but there are better ways to go about getting your voice heard.

Hope this helps you in your future posts and comments here. Let's find solutions. Let's be constructive. Let's get things working. Let's flood support with support issues. 👍

Totally agree bro

Sorry but this had to be put to light. This crap should be free and we are paying $30 bucks for PNT software that is causing DVS issues. As for you Poproxxx I get it you are a SDJ fanboy and I personally know you. I have no problem with someone calling me out but the evidence is right there in the video. This can't be denied. It literally "bugs" me when users say SDJ is sooo "awesome" well here's the proof. Someone has to call them out. And I'm not even on El Capitan...😕 no excuse

Maybe I went about it the wrong way...I'm disappointed users are having to pay for this crap and it's useless. Am I wrong for sticking up for every working professional DJ? No I don't think so if anything I'm doing us a favor. This is clear proof SDJ has a long road ahead. I can't even use PNT because it sucks so bad... "I'm sorry I'm keeping it real" damn sure if a Serato staff asked me in person what I think of PNT I'd say it sucks... Sorry for speaking my mind😕

Nothing wrong with speaking your mind dude. But it would be better to be over in support ALL DAY LONG instead of over here like you are all day every single day.

After you get it situated or get things going with support: you could come back over here, start a thread letting people know what's going on with a link to your support thread to help others. This crap you've been doing non-stop, is doing nothing beneficial for anyone. You just sound like a kid with a pouting session over and over. I'm just trying to help you. A huge number of us think similarly. If you want to keep going on this path that has proved numerous times to get you nowhere, then by all means keep going and keep pissing everyone else off. I speak for a good number of people when I say ...... "dude. just stop already"

Go where things need to be aired/vented out and brought to attention of those that can help fix the situation ......... and that's over in support

I couldn't agree more with Poproxxx. If you don't like something that you purchased, then either try and get a refund or do your research before hand so you don't get caught slipping. That way, you don't have to buy something that sucks or cry about it on the forums. BTW, There is a whole lotta things that should be free, like the DVS Expansion pack they sell for $100 with the DDJ-SX2, even though someone has already bought 3 DVS boxes and a mixer with onboard DVS capability. Does that suck, yup. But all I can do at this time is refuse to purchase the expansion pack, and consider taking my DDJ-SX2 back to the store that I bought it from, since I thought DVS would automatically work without the need for an additional purchase.

Bottom line, either rock with it or naw! The choice is yours.

I'll admit with PNT time on it does a great job with certain tempo speeds and with keylock on it sounds chipmunkish. I'll just stop using PNT altogether is there a refund? I was under the impression PNT did a fine job of keeping audio as close to the original sound regardless of record movement. It has not exceeded my expectations. That's my honest review.

If someone could replicate my issues that would be great. Maybe it's my needles. I just don't want to sound one sided but I've heard of the issues with PNT which is all over the forum. I feel like the software alone is being praised as if it's 100% solid and it's more like false advertisement. I'm not going to sugar coat and say it works well...that would not be accurate.

PNT is more of a better key lock. For playing purposes. So when you move the pitch drastically, you don't get the crazy digitalization sound when hitting +6-8 and way past that. So you can play with your decks on the 50% pitch range and still have the track sounding just like it was recorded, just really slower or faster. Like making your own transitions on the fly and such. PNT wasn't developed for better scratching sounds, hence the reason it needs to cutoff when scratching for a more "realistic" scratching sound

No issues with DVS using PNT :) works great! Better than vdj or traktor.

I hear ya it just sucks I'll have to disable it "every" single time I wanna scratch. Quite disappointing. PNT doesn't benefit me that much anyway my tables are only +8% pitch but it does do a better job than keylock I will admit that.

Pitch 'n Time DJ also gives you access to key shifting and key sync as well which are great extra features :)

The specific issues around the Pitch 'n Time DJ scratching cut-off are logged here at HQ and are a high priority for us - I don't have any news on when this will be resolved but we're definitely aware of this and are working on it.

If you have any other issues or would like one on one help from our support team, you can always hit them up at support.serato.com

Cheers,

Sam.

Thanks. I over reacted a bit I paid for the software and didn't get what I was expecting. Sorry for the rant. I wonder if different needles would have a better experience. I'll have to test this some more. Glad it's being resolved or trying to improve.

You have to understand my frustration though. Brand new $1700 Pioneer S9, PNT plugin and I get this result with the software...not really excusable.

Which brings me to my next question why does real vinyl sound so much louder than DVS? I played real vinyl and had to turn my gains down 2-3 times as much. Why is DVS so quiet? I'm using 92 db auto gain. Just curious

Yo DJ Tecniq, pitch n time is vocal pitch correction algorithm. It not for scratching because it tries to correct the pitch in real time, so scratching fast and slow forces it to try and correct the vocal pitch. It's Used just for blending the music that piched way to high or low. Just blend it then adjust tempo the turn it off for turntablelizm.

Appreciate it. I thought it was normal/standard to leave it on all the time. There should be more talk of PNT and what is the norm if that's the case. Thanks!

you just found out that nothing sounds better then Vinyl sound quality, all old-school DJ's know this, CD's, and different file formats cant duplicate this, only thing close to it is Ripping Vinyl using a high quality needle + recording equipment into ".wav" file it will bring it close but it wont replicate the sound quality Vinyl has.

In regards to Pitch n Time, I don't do scratching but I do notice when I have it switched off and at 0% pitch the sound quality is much fatter, Treble is much crispier and Bass is much deeper, in saying that I would rather choose Pitch N Time over Key lock, my only issue with Serato is why not make the original key-lock better? instead of making key-lock sound like shit so you are forced to buy Pitch N Time? I know this is a marketing move for Serato, just one more way of milking money off their loyal customers, that's my opinion,

I use Pitch N Time all the time, I speed songs that are 95bpm up to 105bpm and it doesn't sound like Theodore punched Alvin in the balls :)

THIS!!

Correction no I didn't just find this out. It's a brand new pioneer s9 and its my first time spinning real vinyl and DVS. I thought SDJ would be much louder but it's the same as Scratchlive has always been if not quieter.

I agree keylock is really horrible and I didn't know how bad until I tried PNT. I'm a scratcher so I'd prefer PNT off as it can't process audio and gets garbled/distorted with slow record movement. While keylock is horrible it's much tighter of a response while PNT is mainly used for increased tempos/transitions.

What I mean by first time spinning vinyl I mean with the mixer. I came from vinyl lol so it's not new to me. I expected SDJ to be somewhat as loud or similar to vinyl...it's incredibly lower. They have improved the output with newer CV's which in using but it's still not comparable nor matched

I bought PNT and in my mind it should be included, but I guess they have to pay licence fees and feed themselves. Serato DJ is really poor at key lock, even worse than my old CDJ-100S!

I'm really happy with my purchase......

I will agree with that...I never realized how horrible key lock is until i got PNT what a difference...but PNT isn't suitable nor should it be a replacement for key lock. It's not a replacement it should be only used during big tempo ranges.

lol

I did a Facebook live feed and had PNT on most of the time (my fault) however after about an hour...i lost full control of my audio/waveform. My reaction on the record was not in sync with sdj's audio or waveform...it was all over the place. "Both" decks did this and I believe the cause is PNT however i even took it off and used regular key lock...it made no change. flipped cv's over, tried reconnecting needles...nothing I had to pull out my real vinyl and restart serato..after that my deck's tone signal went back to full gray...when before i hate both decks "full blown red lines" checked my scopes nothing wrong. It was like possessed.

Pitch 'n Time DJ is not purely a replacement for the keylock - it's a pro studio grade product that has been built into Serato DJ and also includes advanced features like key sync and key shifting which are pretty cool extras. For reference, Pitch 'n Time Pro is an 800 USD product so it's pretty good value.

The current Serato DJ keylock is similar in quality to what you'd get with Master Tempo on a regular CDJ - Pitch 'n Time DJ is an optional upgrade.

sam.

....and should be included as basic keylock, that is shockingly bad otherwise,

It shouldn't be "premium" it is basic.

There is a basic keylock included in Serato DJ - as stated above, Pitch 'n Time DJ is an option expansion pack which allows extreme tempo changes, pitch shifting as well as key sync.

sam.

i understand that and you should really put a disclaimer about this...DJ's are going to buy it thinking it's the creme of the crop and it's mashed potato's. If it doesn't replace key lock it shouldn't be positioned inside the key lock icon...imo And I believe most users are getting dvs issues due to PNT. At least note to users that it's not a "refined" key lock replacement. It's quite false advertisement to put it bluntly.

Would be nice if PnT only activated when tracks were outside the 0 range, instead of having to turn it on and off. Not a huge deal but I sometimes forget to activate/deactivate it.

So when u scratch it goes on?? :p not good :p

Thats a great idea and that's part of my problem I just leave it on and forget about about it. I'm completely disabling it for now on.

No with pitch n time on and slow movement you get stuffered audio like in my clip. Like the latency is not tight enough. Turn it off and it's much tighter like real vinyl. The video demonstrates PNT and keylock I switch I do examples of both. Now this may differ with different cartridges. I'm using Ortofon's. I don't think this has much to do with needles though.

I dont scratch anyways but regardless I was referring to the pitch fader not the actual pitch of the track. Though I guess there could be issues in either case. Just throwing out ideas.

Just checking to see if this has been fixed yet...guess it hasn’t been a high priority🤣

It’s not going to be fixed. In order for pnt to work, it has to take into account a wider range of movement on the platter to compensate - its why you can get better quality audio when doing more extreme pitch shifting.

Any form of pitch lock and pitch shifting is going to be a compromise. You can’t just magically allow for pitch shifting without a hit to the audio fidelity - either you get the warbling sound of classic key lock or you get the slightly muted transients and poor response to scratching of pitch n time. You can’t just use a pitch shift algorithm and have the track sound and perform exactly the same as it was without it - that’s just how audio works.

If you want pristine audio quality and scratching response, don’t use it and go back to harmonic mixing the old fashioned way - by memorizing tracks that mix in key and taking into account pitch variance.

The one feature I’d like to see though, is I wish you could save key lock/pnt states to the track - or even choose to save og key lock and pnt state to a track. That way at least I could save all my scratch tracks to have pnt off and not have to remember to turn it off and on when I feel like scratching, or save the og key lock to all my acapellas for harmonic acapellas blends that work better with scratching,

agreed but serato are unwilling to give us any useful features that they cannot charge for now, the library has needed an overhaul for nearly a decade and some auto update system but no that's not important enough,

I could go on for ages but nothing is going to change

eh, stuff comes - just really, really slowly.

People have been asking for OSA remapping for years and they finally brought it with 2.1.1

Same with tempo matching being brought back in 1.9.

It just sucks when the stuff you personally prioritize isn't at the top of their list.

Maybe one day we might even see day mode :P

Lot of that dev time definitely went into Serato Studio that no one asked for.

i actually did ask for it.... years ago. but that was back when they had higher priority for practical features and fixes.

you asked for a serato daw?

From Sam himself. It can be fixed cause i can scratch perfectly fine on a controller whether slow/fast and there is no audio skip/glitch like there is with DVS. I don’t think Sam even works for Serato anymore so there’s that.

certainly did. i been chopping/triggering samples in SSL to see how they sounded before sending it over to my daw. actually discovered some techniques that way. (used to try samples with my 19" Numark mixer back in day) for fun i set up a sequencer to trigger cues in SSL, almost worked. and for a long time i was trying to make my DJ and Production set up the same rig.

Serato finally realizing a lot of features they done better than anyone else works real nice for production.

too bad i wont be using Studio. and im about to retire Sample too if they dont fix some simple stuff..... sigh.... as usual

... and the main reason i dont use Sample for everything is you cant TURN OFF the pitch in time algorithm. as good as it is, if you dont need it (on drums) it sounds bad

Huge difference between midi and timecode.

I like Sample, ive been setting up my samples in SSL for a while too. So easy to set some cue points and drum stuff out to find something that sounds good.

I just doubt they have the resources to compete with Ableton, Logic, Cubase, or FL Studio. We have been waiting years for seemingly simple features on the DJ side, now them venturing off into DAW territory has to leave the SDJ team a bit short no?

I actually love using Sample, except for not being able to turn off the algorithm. plenty companies do not understand you dont need every sample pitch in key - drums. I kinda doubt the ever let you turn it off because crap sound is acceptable these days.

hopefully they will add a sample start knob so you dont need the mouse to adjust. and cues from DJ.

pretty sure they decided not to actually complete with other daws 'its for beginners' which is fine. but what perplexes me is they dont want to add Rewire/sync. seems like they want to trap new users into not moving on to the bigger daws. if thats the case it will actually backfire as a tactic.

amd no updates for Sample while they work on Studio.... sigh maybe they brpught in some new people....

no one there says - hey guys users have been aski g for this simple tweek for years and years it will save them thousands of hours of drudge work, or make work flow so much smoother. etc nope must support new many color flashing plastic to gain new user who doesnt know shit